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Toronto Transit makes me sad (pg. 3)
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by smuncky
remix time!
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| mahalliner |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vanos
Even though i drive, I def support Rob Ford on subways. Plan to build streetcars in Toronto was a shame and a big fail in the first place for a city of such size, concentration and economic clout. One of the usual TTC's band-aid solutions not abit concerned with future of this city. Streetcars is a short term fix that will create more problems in the long run. Capacity wise, street congestion wise, future development of economic activity etc. Subway is a more forward looking solution, that will create higher growth potential in the areas it is built and promote long term development. |
The difference between subways and streetcars/LRT is one of capacity (passengers/hour) and cost. Subways are expensive to build and operate. Their capacity in terms of passengers is also much higher. But to make them even break even requires a huge number of people using it. LRT requires fewer passengers to pay for itself. Most areas of the city that don't have subway service now are nowhere near the density of population to support more subway lines. The Sheppard line is an example of that. There needs to be the population there already (or well on its way to being there) to support subway expansion. |
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| GGM |
I personally don't give a flying whether they expand with streetcars, subways, build a mono rail for all I care. The important thing is to pick a strategy and stick with it through multiple political parties. It takes so long to plan, propose a solution, get funding approved, and then finally break ground and do the work. If you have every mayor coming into office switching things up there won't be any expansion whatsoever, who cares what form it comes in.
As for a car I see both sides to it. It's great having one and avoiding a lot of the BS with taking the TTC. But at the same time if you live downtown, work downtown, eat downtown, play downtown etc etc... In my building for example parking is $150 a month to rent, ($35k + annual taxes/condo fees to own), insurance at $100 a month, add in any gas used and maintenance + payments if you leased or financed. You'll be looking anywhere from $300-$700 per month just to have your standard car. It's insane to pay that when you use it maybe once a week here and there. Hard argument to make telling someone who pays house prices for a large hotel room of a condo unit just to be downtown that they should also pay that kind of cash to avoid the TTC. Half the time traffic and dumbass drivers piss me off just as much as the issues on public transpo would anyways. |
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| mahalliner |
| quote: | Originally posted by GGM
I personally don't give a flying whether they expand with streetcars, subways, build a mono rail for all I care. The important thing is to pick a strategy and stick with it through multiple political parties. It takes so long to plan, propose a solution, get funding approved, and then finally break ground and do the work. If you have every mayor coming into office switching things up there won't be any expansion whatsoever, who cares what form it comes in.
As for a car I see both sides to it. It's great having one and avoiding a lot of the BS with taking the TTC. But at the same time if you live downtown, work downtown, eat downtown, play downtown etc etc... In my building for example parking is $150 a month to rent, ($35k + annual taxes/condo fees to own), insurance at $100 a month, add in any gas used and maintenance + payments if you leased or financed. You'll be looking anywhere from $300-$700 per month just to have your standard car. It's insane to pay that when you use it maybe once a week here and there. Hard argument to make telling someone who pays house prices for a large hotel room of a condo unit just to be downtown that they should also pay that kind of cash to avoid the TTC. Half the time traffic and dumbass drivers piss me off just as much as the issues on public transpo would anyways. |
It's cheaper to just use a car sharing service or rent a car whenever you need one. I'm TTC dependent but I've rented a car a handful of times when I've absolutely needed one and it's obviously way cheaper. |
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| AY STAR |
| just curious, does toronto's mass transit run 24/7? |
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| Aureliou |
| quote: | Originally posted by AY STAR
just curious, does toronto's mass transit run 24/7? |
What's it to you, Terrorist? |
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| AY STAR |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aureliou
What's it to you, Terrorist? |
:haha: good guess but iam far from it...
i actually work for transit down in nyc and iam just curious on toronto's mass transit operation in comparison to nyc |
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| smuncky |
| quote: | Originally posted by AY STAR
:haha: good guess but iam far from it...
i actually work for transit down in nyc and iam just curious on toronto's mass transit operation in comparison to nyc |
imo, there is little to compare. the system are too different from each other. |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by GGM
I personally don't give a flying whether they expand with streetcars, subways, build a mono rail for all I care. The important thing is to pick a strategy and stick with it through multiple political parties. It takes so long to plan, propose a solution, get funding approved, and then finally break ground and do the work. If you have every mayor coming into office switching things up there won't be any expansion whatsoever, who cares what form it comes in.
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This.
To me, the solution was to live close to where I worked. As a single person with no dependents, this was easy, but if you're raising a family you probably aren't going to want to do it in the financial district.
Personally I think they need either dedicated streetcar lanes (like Spadina - that route is the best in the city IMO) or they need to scrap the streetcar routes altogether and replace with buses.
Also, I don't know what comes first, but a congestion tax to free up traffic in the downtown core to make public transit more reliable could be a solution. It seems to work in London - the bus service is *amazing*. |
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| Nobbie Q |
| quote: | Originally posted by AY STAR
just curious, does toronto's mass transit run 24/7? |
Some bus routes do, but subways don't, so it sucks. They should keep everything open on Saturday and Sunday mornings. We really are behind on our transit system. |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nobbie Q
Some bus routes do, but subways don't, so it sucks. They should keep everything open on Saturday and Sunday mornings. We really are behind on our transit system. |
No they shouldn't. There's no reason for subways to be running past 2:30AM - 3AM. Unfortunately they close at 1:30AM, which is beyond retarded considering last call is at 2AM. |
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| kotsy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nobbie Q
Some bus routes do, but subways don't, so it sucks. They should keep everything open on Saturday and Sunday mornings. We really are behind on our transit system. |
Wishful thinking. Only 3 subway networks in North America are 24 hours and NYC's post midnight train frequency is just as bad, if not worse than our busses and streetcars. At least you can wait in a warm station in the winter vs. the curb. |
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