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Playing uncompressed music through a club rig (pg. 2)
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
But then doesn't any device? so its doesn't matter. as the levels are set and determined by the gear used. OP is not going to play live and plug in something of his own with crazy gain, he'll be using the clubs decks with either a USB or CD |
and a mixer with a gain that adds a completely new element to the gain staging that i can guarantee you has not been calibrated so that completely jacked , and given a ty setup will kill the rave.
You don't seem to understand the issue is in the analog domain, not digital. |
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| Raphie |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
and a mixer with a gain that adds a completely new element to the gain staging that i can guarantee you has not been calibrated so that completely jacked , and given a ty setup will kill the rave.
You don't seem to understand the issue is in the analog domain, not digital. |
yes, but your point is inproper gain staging, which is relevant for gear, not for the content played with it.
so yes, if he doesn't leave his mixer at unitygain, then he can screw the system, but he can do that as easily with a Beatport top100 track as with his own. The issue you decribe is not the content. but how you drive the gear. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
read the first post
" i can just turn up the gains" |
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| Raphie |
There you're right, don't mess with analogue levels, if you don't want stuff to go ape. just like you would not do with an avg beatport track.
I was solely reacting to his does it matter that my track is not compressed/limited part |
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| Looney4Clooney |
agreed.
you would be surprised by the amount of small venues that don't even have like a pair of cheap dbx limiters going to their system. I was a resident at an afterhours with a formidable sound system and someone stole the limiter among other things and the owner just went on like nothing changed. thousands in amps and speakers and he did enough coke in an hour to pay for a 160. |
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| Raphie |
That's madness.
I've got DBX limiters on my PA's
but i only do manned rentals, so nothing goes without "engineer" (being me or my buddy) though it's very small scale, birthdays, weddings, lounge barbeques and that kind off stuff, you would be surprised how many drunks want to turn things up, or play DJ |
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| stewart.m |
| my best buddy has his tracks played in pro-clubs and none of his tunes have been pro-masterd without any trouble to the dj. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| probably because most people already have their dynamic range already at such a low level. A mix should be good enough for a PA, Mastering shouldn't really do that much. Makes a 7/10 an 8.5/10. On a club PA, it makes a 7/10 a 8. On an ipod, it makes a 7/10 a 7.5. |
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| meriter |
alright so
As far as gain, I'm bouncing all these tracks at like -2 or -3 db, so nothing will be clipping within traktor. I'm auto-gaining each track to be level, so no surprises. (unless I get wasted and think the gain knob is like the high-eq or something and crank that like an idiot)
I was planning on either using the motu 828mk2 to drive the audio, or just use the S2's interface. The motu has like, hella output gain. I have the main out volume set to -26 db usually and that is like really loud for commercial tracks, but comfortable volume to mix at. (I don't actually know why it can output so much it's like an amp or something, if I turned it up to 0db it would destroy my monitors)
So I guess I'll be running the signal from that into their house mixer, which is an empath. (btw this is a legit venue that does have limiters and all that)
I can turn up the main out volume on the MOTU until the signal is approaching the red on the empath, and then it's in gods hands at that point. I guess it's up to the FOH guy/gal if they want to crank up the PA. |
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| dj_alfi |
| quote: | Originally posted by meriter
I was planning on either using the motu 828mk2 to drive the audio, or just use the S2's interface. |
You decided to get one? :) I meant to post in the other thread that I saw a review of the four 4-channel controllers, and while pioneer had bigger jog wheels, the s4 was the one that had the most vinyl-like feel to the scratching, and seeing as the s2 has the same jog wheels that should be answer enough :D |
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| meriter |
yeah the S2 seems the most practical
I've messed around with that 4 channel pioneer... very solid build and the knobs and sliders are like butter... but considering what it actually is/does and the fact it costs a thousand ing dollars the damn thing should give HJ's |
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| stewart.m |
meriter-
"unless I get wasted and think the gain knob is like the high-eq or something and crank that like an idiot)"
lol ive done that |
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