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Mixing full dum roll to an uplifter. (Mixing help?)
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| Domesty |
Hey!
So i would love to hear ur opinion on mixing these kind of drums (aka. safri duo toms etc.) to trance.
As it stands the pattenr is not ready when i havent spended time, because its not important at start because im trying it to get them to fit on my mix. I have just skipped parts in this WIP.
How do they fit and how i can make it clear enough on my mix?
EVERY advice in this mix is also welcome, but as it stands this is just early wip and under heavy compression. (like hats are bad but im working on it)
So this is my WIP that i have spended few hours in. (No fx samples nothing yet) But i'm not here for the track content, just for mixing tips how i could fit those drums on the track?
Any advice where i should cut them and how they shoud be EQd and compressed reverbed and all that jizz?
Does anyone of you done anything similiar to this?
Any tips would be nice!!!
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| Julz |
The toms sound really wet, very distant sounding in this mix.
You said you haven't used FX, so I'd suggest starting with some dry samples instead of already FX'ed ones. |
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| Domesty |
| quote: | Originally posted by Julz
The toms sound really wet, very distant sounding in this mix.
You said you haven't used FX, so I'd suggest starting with some dry samples instead of already FX'ed ones. |
Well i have actually compressed and pitched whit EQ them a little. But they sound very wet samples as you said. AND they do have little reverb!
Should i try to find different samples then? like more dark and subby? i don't really know is it even possible to fit that kind of roll to an uplifter but im just experimenting. |
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| Julz |
It depends what your trying to achieve with the toms. If you want them "upfront" so to speak they will not need much if any reverb.
Why did you compress them or eq it? I would only take 100hz and below off I doubt this sample needs compression.
Pleanty of good sample packs available with dry sounds.
Prime Loops Tribal Percussion Loops Pack is nice. |
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| Domesty |
| quote: | Originally posted by Julz
It depends what your trying to achieve with the toms. If you want them "upfront" so to speak they will not need much if any reverb.
Why did you compress them or eq it? I would only take 100hz and below off I doubt this sample needs compression.
Pleanty of good sample packs available with dry sounds.
Prime Loops Tribal Percussion Loops Pack is nice. |
Well you have a point, But in this case they feel so acoustic and wide that its impossible to fit them whitout EQing a tad at least. I havent done anything critical mostly, as you said just cutted the low end and taken little bit off of the 250 hz area, nothing big.
They might not need compressing, i'll need to experiment.
IF i'll add more dryness it creares less "in to the face" effect, right?
i might then try to use some drier ones on the main drumroll, and use these on the breakdown or something. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| try increasing the volume to start. |
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| Domesty |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
try increasing the volume to start. |
actually now that you said it they really feel like worn to the background. But they can break the whole mix so need to be very careful whit these dbs |
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| Julz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Domesty
Well you have a point, But in this case they feel so acoustic and wide that its impossible to fit them whitout EQing a tad at least. I havent done anything critical mostly, as you said just cutted the low end and taken little bit off of the 250 hz area, nothing big.
They might not need compressing, i'll need to experiment.
IF i'll add more dryness it creares less "in to the face" effect, right?
i might then try to use some drier ones on the main drumroll, and use these on the breakdown or something. |
Play around with reverb and you'll see what i mean, pushes a sounds further away when its surrounded by dry sounds. I wouldn't take off the 250hz area, thats most likely when most of the toms sound is anyways, why its sounding soo light and airy. |
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| Domesty |
| quote: | Originally posted by Julz
Play around with reverb and you'll see what i mean, pushes a sounds further away when its surrounded by dry sounds. I wouldn't take off the 250hz area, thats most likely when most of the toms sound is anyways, why its sounding soo light and airy. |
Yeah, but it so easily interferes whit the kick and bass also, which are two most important elemnts in uplifters. But will get back to you if i get them sounding decent. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by Domesty
actually now that you said it they really feel like worn to the background. But they can break the whole mix so need to be very careful whit these dbs |
i can't hear them. You are asking how to mix something i can barely hear. start with the obvious. it isn't rocket science. Turn it up, then proceed.
And what the is an uplifter ? I assumed you meant a type of fx. Now i'm actually thinking you are using this as an adjective to describe a genre.
You have about 5 layers too much going on. I would ditch everything but the basics and fit what you want on the order of how important it is to the track. Those drums won't work on a busy mix. So until you thin in out, forget about it. |
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| Domesty |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
i can't hear them. You are asking how to mix something i can barely hear. start with the obvious. it isn't rocket science. Turn it up, then proceed. |
in my case and mixing skills, i'd say that it isn't sience at all. More like creating sandcastles at the playground, but i'll try to see what i can do.
haha. Thats why i marked this as craplifting. Well it can be anything it sounds to you but usually i tend to mar my stuff as more of an uplifters than anything else. I dont really care about stricting yourself and listeners to one genre.
so as i said, it can be anything that it sounds to you. No need to judge my understanding of genres : D |
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| Julz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Domesty
Yeah, but it so easily interferes whit the kick and bass also, which are two most important elemnts in uplifters. But will get back to you if i get them sounding decent. |
Well this is where sound selection/mixing is important.
Kick seems to be lacking low end and really inst complimenting the bass, I would pan the tom. I actually am working on a track with toms being prominant so let me bounce it and show you when i can be bothered. |
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