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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by kamil
Just like nobody gave a a week after about the 250,000 that died in the Indonesia flooding.
Nobody gives a because theyre not white. Why else would we still be making a yearly spectacle out of only 3,000 deaths in 9/11 compared to the hundreds of thousands of lives lost elsewhere? |
Must be an easy life you have, being able to boil down complex global issues through a simplistic perception that offers a singular explanation for events you can't possibly begin to truly understand. |
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| we_R_DNA |
I find it awesome that people are able to unite behind an idea with little understanding as to what is really going on, but then again a part of me believes that KONY 2012 is also a tactic to distract people from far more devastating issues of corruption that have already happened in one's own country.
So go ahead and put your energy into this KONY 2012 issue, but please understand that this is a potential/political tactic used to distract the masses while more pressing issues go on behind the scenes in their own countries.
Just my two cents with everyone jumping on the bandwagon that is destined to take people away from other pressing issues. |
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| de+ |
Kony 2012 = flash in the pan
People don't care enough i'm afraid. |
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| shaw |
| quote: | Originally posted by we_R_DNA
I find it awesome that people are able to unite behind an idea with little understanding as to what is really going on |
| quote: | Originally posted by kamil
Nobody gives a because theyre not white. |
Wow. :stongue: |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by we_R_DNA
I find it awesome that people are able to unite behind an idea with little understanding as to what is really going on, but then again a part of me believes that KONY 2012 is also a tactic to distract people from far more devastating issues of corruption that have already happened in one's own country.
So go ahead and put your energy into this KONY 2012 issue, but please understand that this is a potential/political tactic used to distract the masses while more pressing issues go on behind the scenes in their own countries.
Just my two cents with everyone jumping on the bandwagon that is destined to take people away from other pressing issues. |
I found out about Kony, watching Piers Morgan interview Cindy McCain on CNN, last night. Newt Gingrich has a link to the movie on his website.
http://newtgingrich360.com/main/sha...opic%253A106667
It's just a little odd to find such staunch conservatives promoting this issue at this time. I don't want to be cynical and believe that this is some form of perverse political theater, perhaps to make conservatives appear to be more humane, but... |
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| Julz |
| quote: | Originally posted by EarnYourKeep
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LOL
Checked this out today, tried to actually donate but some bull when i need google chrome for it to work not opera, so I didnt bother. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
I'm directing my irritation at the people who think that by reposting this video on facebook, that they're doing anything remotely useful to help the cause. In addition, they are not doing research on the group that they would be donating to. I'm not dismissing it because it's "popular", I'm dismissing it because these injustices have been happening for decades and nobody seemed to care before this video went viral. |
How can you care about something you've never heard? This is why efforts such as these matter. Thanks to these guys, you now know more about the LRA than you did last year. And this ignorance is what let's people like Rush Limbaugh say inanities like this:
| quote: | Originally said by Rush Limbaugh
Obama Invades Uganda, Targets Christians
BEGIN TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: President Obama has deployed troops to another war, in Africa, ladies and gentlemen. Jacob Tapper, ABC News, is reporting that Obama has sent 100 US troops to Uganda to help combat Lord's Resistance Army. Tapper reporting today: "Two days ago President Obama authorized the deployment to Uganda of approximately 100 combat-equipped U.S. forces to help regional forces 'remove from the battlefield' -- meaning capture or kill -- Lord’s Resistance Army leader Joseph Kony and senior leaders of the LRA." I wonder how the Wall Street crowd is gonna react when they find out that Obama has sent troops to another war? "Mr. Limbaugh, it's just 100 peacekeepers." Yep, yep, yep, that's how Libya started, and, by the way, there's no end in sight for Libya.
"The forces will deploy beginning with a small group and grow over the next month to 100. They will ultimately go to Uganda, South Sudan, the Central African Republic, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo." A hundred people are gonna go to all those places? "The president made this announcement in a letter to House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, Friday afternoon, saying that 'deploying these U.S. Armed Forces furthers U.S. national security interests and foreign policy and will be a significant contribution toward counter-LRA efforts in central Africa.'" LRA is Lord's Resistance Army. And it doesn't mean God's resistance army. Lord is some Lord, some guy. A "Defense Department official tells ABC’s Luis Martinez at the Pentagon that the U.S. troops will be in Africa 'for a few months in an advisory role.'" One hundred troops in an advisory role.
So nothing to worry about here, folks, only gonna be for a few months. Now, up until today, most Americans have never heard of the combat Lord's Resistance Army. And here we are at war with them. Have you ever heard of Lord's Resistance Army, Dawn? How about you, Brian? Snerdley, have you? You never heard of Lord's Resistance Army? Well, proves my contention, most Americans have never heard of it, and here we are at war with them. Lord's Resistance Army are Christians. It means God. I was only kidding. Lord's Resistance Army are Christians. They are fighting the Muslims in Sudan. And Obama has sent troops, United States troops to remove them from the battlefield, which means kill them. That's what the lingo means, "to help regional forces remove from the battlefield," meaning capture or kill.
So that's a new war, a hundred troops to wipe out Christians in Sudan, Uganda, and -- (interruption) no, I'm not kidding. Jacob Tapper just reported it. Now, are we gonna help the Egyptians wipe out the Christians? Wouldn't you say that we are? I mean the Coptic Christians are being wiped out, but it wasn't just Obama that supported that. The conservative intelligentsia thought it was an outbreak of democracy. Now they've done a 180 on that, but they forgot that they supported it in the first place. Now they're criticizing it.
Lord's Resistance Army objectives. I have them here. "To remove dictatorship and stop the oppression of our people." Now, again Lord's Resistance Army is who Obama sent troops to help nations wipe out. The objectives of the Lord's Resistance Army, what they're trying to accomplish with their military action in these countries is the following: "To remove dictatorship and stop the oppression of our people; to fight for the immediate restoration of the competitive multiparty democracy in Uganda; to see an end to gross violation of human rights and dignity of Ugandans; to ensure the restoration of peace and security in Uganda, to ensure unity, sovereignty, and economic prosperity beneficial to all Ugandans, and to bring to an end the repressive policy of deliberate marginalization of groups of people who may not agree with the LRA ideology." Those are the objectives of the group that we are fighting, or who are being fought and we are joining in the effort to remove them from the battlefield.
The government of Uganda claims that Lord's Resistance Army only has 500 or a thousand soldiers in total. So what's the threat? If that's the maximum size of their army, what's the threat? A thousand soldiers? Now, 1100 soldiers because we have sent a hundred. I'm not making this up. This is Jacob Tapper. ABC News had reported that Obama got a letter off to John Boehner a couple days ago announcing this. It's just for a few months until the Lord's Resistance Army is eradicated. That's all. Just a few months. Not much of a threat.
BREAK TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: Here's Mike in Youngsville, North Carolina. Welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.
CALLER: Rush, this is Mike. How you doing?
RUSH: Very well, sir. Thank you.
CALLER: Let me just say thank you so much for your dedication and teaching the principles and the truths of current events today, and I'm a longtime listener, first-time caller.
RUSH: Thank you, sir, very much. I sincerely appreciate it.
CALLER: Yeah, I told Snerdley I want to get to my point quickly --
RUSH: Yeah.
CALLER: -- but just the difference between the Tea Party and the occupation (sic) Wall Street crowd, and that is that, you know, I'm gonna be 60 years old this year in just a few weeks.
RUSH: You don't sound that old.
CALLER: Yeah, I'm gonna be 60 and I've got four children, 32, 30, 29, and 27. I just thank God for this country. I thank God for all the military people that are listening right now serving our country presently and in the past. My parents, both my mum and dad served in World War II. They met on a blind date, my dad passed away in 2003, they would have been married 65 years this year.
RUSH: Whoa. That's something I can't even imagine.
CALLER: Yeah. And, Rush, you know what? I went to a Tea Party rally in Raleigh last year, and the clientele of people that were there were older, you know, I was 59 at the time, and there were a lot of people my age, there were a lot of people right up until that World War II generation that had served. They were polite; they were kind; they were orderly; they were clean. I mean, we left the capitol and you coulda eaten off the ground.
RUSH: Yeah, I know.
CALLER: Yeah. And, you know, Rush, I grew up, I was privileged and my parents sent me to a parochial school. And, you know, this ADD that they talk about, you know, people say ADD, ADD, everybody ADHD, whatever.
RUSH: Yeah.
CALLER: You know what I call that? ADD?
RUSH: Being a kid.
CALLER: Yeah. Absence of discipline disorder.
RUSH: Well.
CALLER: That's what it is.
RUSH: I like it.
CALLER: I had it when I was young. But the nuns beat it out of me in about two weeks, along with all the other kids that were unruly in the class. And we were taught to be obedient. We were taught to respect our elders. Rush, I went to high school when you did. I had to wear a suit coat and tie at a public school and have my hair cropped so it didn't go over the collar and didn't go over the ears, and these kids today, I've seen it for 30 years since I started having children of my own, and my wife and I would take our kids out to public restaurants and public places, and we made our children obey, we made them, they knew --
RUSH: Well, you know, that's the old days. Now parents want to be friends.
CALLER: Yeah, they want to be their friends.
RUSH: Yeah.
CALLER: They want to be their friends and this is the result of it. We have these kids that think they're entitled to everything, you know, and we've seen it for 30 years. To this day, you go into any shopping center or store or restaurant and these young children are so unruly, they're crying, they're screaming, and it just reminds me, I knew there was gonna be a payback, and this is it, this is the payback --
RUSH: You knew there was -- (laughing)
CALLER: This is it. We're seeing it.
RUSH: Well, there is a lot of spoiled bratness --
CALLER: Yes, exactly.
RUSH: -- no question. How do you feel about the news? I want to go back, your extensive military background, how do you react to the news that Obama has dispatched a hundred soldiers to fight radical Christians in Africa?
CALLER: That's amazing. I can't believe he's doing that.
RUSH: You can't?
CALLER: You know, Rush, our parents, my mum and dad both served in World War II. I forget how many million soldiers that we sent overseas, and we lost 450,000 lives in 44 months, you know. And they came back, they didn't complain, they went, they served their country, we kept our freedom, we freed all those people that were in those camps of many nationalities --
RUSH: There's no question that times are different, and child rearing has changed. Not everywhere, though. Anyway, Mike, I'm grateful you're in the audience. I'm glad you called. Thanks very much.
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RUSH: On sending the soldiers to fight the Christians in Africa, here is how Obama ends his letter to John Boehner justifying sending troops to Uganda: "I have directed this deployment, which is in the national security and foreign policy interests of the United States, pursuant to my constitutional authority to conduct US foreign relations and as commander-in-chief and chief executive." Would somebody explain to me what you think our "national security interests" are in Uganda. Now, keep in mind, folks, this is the same Barack Obama who said that we had no national security interests in attacking Iraq. After they were shooting at our planes and trying to kill our president and Allah knows what else, Obama said, "We got no national security interests in Iraq! They don't threaten us! What are we doing?" We've got 500 to a thousand soldiers in the Lord's Resistance Army and Uganda trying to wipe them out, and we're sending a hundred soldiers to help them.
Vital national interests are at stake, according to Obama.
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RUSH: I wonder when the Nobel Committee is gonna call Obama and ask for the Peace Prize back. You think this is what they had in mind when he got the Peace Prize? Remember, he got that prize on the come. He hadn't done anything for peace, and since then, how many wars are we in now, five? And he hasn't gotten us out of any of these wars? I know, isn't gonna happen.
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Is that right? The Lord's Resistance Army is being accused of really bad stuff? Child kidnapping, torture, murder, that kind of stuff? Well, we just found out about this today. We're gonna do, of course, our due diligence research on it. But nevertheless we got a hundred troops being sent over there to fight these guys -- and they claim to be Christians.
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He wouldn't be able to get away with this now, would he?
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
Jack, please check out the following link, and this will outline primarily why I'm skeptical. Pay special attention to the other charities that are outlining this cause without using emotional manipulation:
http://tumblr.thedailywh.at/post/18...-to-stay-as-far |
And here's the kid from Kony 2012 giving his views:
| quote: | Originally published by the Guardian
Ugandan Jacob Acaye says world needs to know about war waged by Joseph Kony that is still going on elsewhere in Africa
Jacob Acaye, the Ugandan former child abductee at the heart of the film Kony 2012, a web phenomenon seen by more than 50 million people around the world, yesterday defended the video and its makers against criticism that it is misleading and champions western intervention against an insurgency which is already waning and on the run.
Acaye's home region around the town of Gulu is now relatively peaceful, and the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA), which kidnapped him and killed his brother in 2002, has been driven out of northern Uganda along with its warlord leader, Joseph Kony, who has melted into the forests of the Democratic Republic of Congo and the Central African Republic. But Acaye denied widespread criticism in Uganda and elsewhere that the American-made film calling for Kony's arrest is out-of-date or irrelevant. "It is not too late, because all this fighting and suffering is still going on elsewhere," Acaye, now 21, told the Guardian in a telephone interview from Kampala, where he is studying law. "Until now, the war that was going on has been a silent war. People did not really know about it.
"Now what was happening in Gulu is still going on elsewhere in the Central African Republic and in Congo. What about the people who are suffering over there? They are going through what we were going through."
Kony 2012 has become a surprise hit around the world some 25 years after Kony founded his militia and a decade after the peak of its reign of terror in northern Uganda. But its makers, a group called Invisible Children, were widely criticised by Ugandan journalists and other aid agencies yesterday for being self-promoting (the video spends much of its 28 minutes on its maker, Jason Russell and his young son, Gavin) and opaque about its use of funds – and for concentrating on an issue that has dramatically changed in recent years.
"They are focusing more on an American solution to an African conflict than the holistic approach which should include regional governments and people who are very key to make this a success," said Victor Ochen, the director of African Youth Initiative Network based in Lira, the site of one Kony's worst massacres in Uganda.
"They are advocating for a mechanism to end war with more attention to a perpetrator not victims. Campaigning on killing one man and that's the end is not enough … There are many people who are caught up in this war. Invisible Children has good access to international media but they have no connection with the community they claim to represent." Ugandan writer Angelo Opi-Aiya Izama wrote on his blog: "To call the campaign a misrepresentation is an understatement ... its portrayal of his alleged crimes in northern Uganda are from a bygone era." He added that the main problems in the area now are child prostitution, HIV and a mysterious and incurable neurological disorder, known as nodding disease, which has afflicted more than 4,000 children.
Izama said that although the LRA is still preying on civilians in neighbouring countries, it was no longer an unknown problem. He said: "The LRA leader is the subject of an international manhunt by a joint force of Ugandan, Congolese, Sudanese and Central African troops. This effort is assisted by US combat troops."
In 2009 a US-supported military operation dubbed Operation Lightning Thunder and carried out by Uganda government forces failed to kill Kony. The Ugandan army said Kony had left his compound a few minutes before the attack. Since it was set up in 2003, Invisible Children, a San Diego-based charity has released 11 films and run regular "awareness-raising" film tours across the US, mainly showing to schools and universities. The group is barely known in Uganda, but claims to have given school and university scholarships to 750 children, and helped re-build schools. Acaye said that his old school is one of those the group has rebuilt.
"Now that the situation in Gulu is stabilised and there is no longer war there, there is reconstruction of the place. Schools are being built. It is not the fault of the people there that they were abducted and used. They need to be helped," he said. "The organisation has fought really hard to rebuild my school. It is doing good work." Acaye was taken prisoner by the LRA militia when it attacked his home village of Koro, near Gulu, but he escaped after three weeks when one unit handed him over to another.
"I got lucky. I was taken by a second group which did not know much about me, and I was transferred to that group. They asked me how long I had been with the LRA and I said three months so they thought I had no intention of running away, so they did not watch me," Acaye said.
He found his way back to his village, but from then on joined the hundreds of children who walked into Gulu to sleep every night for safety. It was while he was sleeping on a verandah there that he was found by Invisible Children.
"They could not understand what was happening. They wanted a kid who was sleeping there and who spoke English. I could understand English and I could say what was happening, so that is how I was in their film," Acaye said.
Invisible Children's accounts show it is a cash rich operation, which more than tripled its income to $9m (£5.68m) in 2011, mainly from personal donations. Of this, nearly 25% was spent on travel and film-making. Most of the money raised has been spent in the US. The accounts show $1.7m went on US employee salaries, $850,000 in film production costs, $244,000 in "professional services" – thought to be Washington lobbyists – and $1.07m in travel expenses. Nearly $400,000 was spent on offices in San Diego.
Questions were raised yesterday about its operation after it emerged that Charity Navigator, a US charity evaluator, gave the organisation only three out of four stars overall, four stars financially, and two stars for "accountability and transparency". Noelle Jouglet communication director, responded in a statement saying: "Our score is currently at 2 stars due to the fact that Invisible Children currently does not have five independent voting members on our board of directors. We are currently in the process of interviewing potential board members, and our goal is to add an additional independent member this year in order to regain our 4-star rating by 2013."
The three founders of the group, who advocate direct military intervention in response to the LRA, were also criticised for posing with guns alongside members of the Sudan People's Liberation Army (SPLA) in 2008. In a statement the group responded : "We were there to see Joseph Kony come to the table to sign the Final Peace Agreement. The Sudan People's Liberation Army (SPLA) was surrounding our camp for protection since Sudan was mediating the peace talks. We thought it would be funny to bring back to our friends and family a joke photo. You know, "Haha – they have bazookas in their hands but they're actually fighting for peace'."
The group , which employs around 100 people, is expected to raise millions of dollars from their Kony2012 video but has so far not said how much has been donated or how it will spend the money. Visitors are invited to click a button and buy T shirts, bracelets and posters, ranging from $30-$250. "People will think you're an advocate of awesome", runs the sales pitch.
The video has broken records for the speed at which a 30-minute film has spread. "It's an internet phenomenon. It's the mob mentality. Everyone can feel outraged. We are buying into the emotion and handing over money but who it's going to and how it is helping [Uganda's children] is left unanswered", says Phil Borge, a director of London-based 1000 Heads, a "word of mouth" marketing agency. According to figures posted on Vimeo, only four people viewed the video on 3 March , and eight on 4 March, but 58,000 on 5 March, 2.7m on 6 March and 8.2m on 7 March. It had been played over 38m times on YouTube by yesterday evening.
Jedediah Jenkins, director of idea development for Invisible Children, called the criticisms "myopic" and said the film represented a "tipping point" in that it "got young people to care about an issue on the other side of the planet that doesn't affect them". |
I'm all for mocking slacktivists, specially when they do something as futile as replacing their profile photos for cartoons in order to fight child abuse. Hell, I had pedobear as my avatar back then!
However, this is not the case here. Even if the campaign has its flaws, with a public support that can only go so far, but if only we had more similar projects, ignorance wouldn't be one of the factors contributing to the proliferations of so many of the world's problems. We need criticism to prevent them from backfiring, not from raising awareness. |
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| Banora |
| quote: | Originally posted by kamil
Just like nobody gave a a week after about the 250,000 that died in the Indonesia flooding.
Nobody gives a because theyre not white. Why else would we still be making a yearly spectac--- |
...I'm sorry what? |
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| Vivid Boy |
Kobe 2012
get informed s0n |
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