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City of Light [trance]
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| theterran |
Finally got around to polishing this one off. Sounds great on anything I play it on for once.
Re-Mixed on a pair of hs50m.
Features builds/breaks without the use of white noise and crashes.
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| Peter Campbell |
cool start man, sounds like Push/M.I.K.E at the start.
the lead/melody that starts at 1:12 is a little loud,dry to me? and the topends to sharp
overall I like where this ones going |
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| optik |
I think musically it's good, but it does lack energy - I think it's partly the release on the the sidechain (on the pads) in combination with the gate on the pads. I'd tweak my timings to give it a bit more drive.
I think the gate on the clap is also slowing it down a little.
kick is getting lost in the section from 2:11 onward
think about adding some more percussion and generally thinking about the dynamics (by that I mean loudness/vs quiet, not compression)
does have a pleasant richness about it
hope this helps |
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| theterran |
| quote: | Originally posted by optik
I think musically it's good, but it does lack energy - I think it's partly the release on the the sidechain (on the pads) in combination with the gate on the pads. I'd tweak my timings to give it a bit more drive.
I think the gate on the clap is also slowing it down a little.
kick is getting lost in the section from 2:11 onward
think about adding some more percussion and generally thinking about the dynamics (by that I mean loudness/vs quiet, not compression)
does have a pleasant richness about it
hope this helps |
Cheers man, pretty much nailed it tbh.
Oddly enough upon looking again, I found the sidechain on the gated pads to be "malfunctioning". The chain was "technically" correct but for some reason the compressor on the gated pad wasn't receiving the kick signal. (this has been fixed and is probably what contributed to the lack of kick at 2:10)
I also had a bit of wiggle room with kick since I finally started giving myself a decent db ceiling to work with, will try scoching it up a bit on fresh ears. My main issue was having too much of an overbearing kick.
Clap issue may have to do with the envelope shaper, and I'll try to tighten it up a bit. Any other tips here on the clap are welcome!
I actually did plan on adding some more percussion but the process has been quite delicate and I've been taking my time with this. (as I'm not really on any deadlines or anything) I can "hear" what I want so hopefully I can hunt down the percs and file this away as "done".
Again thank you for the feedback, and if there's anything specific that you'd like an extra listen on feel free to hit me up! (Quite liked the strange world remix btw) |
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| TranceLover007 |
We will need to have more then one session on this track/wip lol.
Let's start with this, in my opinion you will have to add some fat and warm pad sound to fill this space between few different arp sounding elements which in fact (for this particular track) make it hard to get this energy and riff going in it.
In addition I would also bring your drums more up front to makes you fill it's energy - than render your track and upload to see what else need to happen in order to shift this track to another level :D
Cheers,
Darek |
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| theterran |
First off I always appreciate feedback and the listen and thank you for listening trancelover.
I wish there were more layers I could add to this, but sonically it would be very difficult. I've setup my instrument palette to fill as much of the sound spectrum as possible, so adding anything at this point could/would clutter the mix imo.
There are 2 basses, one with a sidechained pad attached to it, filling 35hz-4khz. *You can hear the sidechained pad in the beginning, and more notably at the end when the kick is filtered out*
The "warm" element I feel is already there, which is a gated/arped saw bass layered on top of a subtle choir vox that comes in at 1:42, filling the entire epectrum from 35k-16khz, with some emphasis on the 500hz-750hz and 8-16khz range. I've even made use of an analog warmer on this particular instrument. *best heard at 1:58*
There's the gated-*now*sidechained pad that fills 500hz to 4khz low-mid/midrange. *this one's ez*
Disregarding the rest as it mostly fills the mid/upper mid range, there are 3 pads currently layered into the mix at varying degrees.
So again, I feel that adding anymore would be counterproductive to the mix. Once I have an actual studio setup, I think I'll be able to draw more warmth and clarity out of my tracks, but for now I have to make due.
Will give the drumkit advice a go once everything is in, which was my intention. I ducked the simple drumkit because it was well...simple.
However I really am starting to feel that less is more in the trance I've been making, favoring more instrumentation with a simpler kit.
Cheers. |
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| Julz |
Choose a better kick, barely can hear it.
I like the midbass and the lead that comes in around 1.50.
Work on increasing energy as the song progresses, could be a cool track, but your not really taking it anywhere.
Also no crashes or FX is not necessarily a good thing. |
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| TranceLover007 |
| quote: | Originally posted by theterran
First off I always appreciate feedback and the listen and thank you for listening trancelover.
I wish there were more layers I could add to this, but sonically it would be very difficult. I've setup my instrument palette to fill as much of the sound spectrum as possible, so adding anything at this point could/would clutter the mix imo.
There are 2 basses, one with a sidechained pad attached to it, filling 35hz-4khz.
The "warm" element I feel is already there, which is a gated/arped saw bass layered on top of a subtle choir vox that comes in at 1:42, filling the entire epectrum from 35k-16khz, with some emphasis on the 500hz-750hz and 8-16khz range. I've even made use of an analog warmer on this particular instrument.
There's the gated-*now*sidechained pad that fills 500hz to 4khz low-mid/midrange.
Disregarding the rest as it mostly fills the mid/upper mid range, there are 3 pads currently layered into the mix at varying degrees.
So again, I feel that adding anymore would be counterproductive to the mix. Once I have an actual studio setup, I think I'll be able to draw more warmth and clarity out of my tracks, but for now I have to make due.
Will give the drumkit advice a go once everything is in, which was my intention. I ducked the simple drumkit because it was well...simple.
However I really am starting to feel that less is more in the trance I've been making, favoring more instrumentation with a simpler kit.
Cheers. |
For some reason I can't hear all of those sounds you talking about and this is why I mention all of those additional elements which need to be added to this track for increasing the level of attractiveness - I will give a more play later (as I'm going for meeting right now) and see if I miss something in the background.
Cheers man,
Darek |
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| theterran |
| quote: | Originally posted by Julz
Choose a better kick, barely can hear it.
I like the midbass and the lead that comes in around 1.50.
Work on increasing energy as the song progresses, could be a cool track, but your not really taking it anywhere.
Also no crashes or FX is not necessarily a good thing. |
Thank you for your time and feedback Julz.
@ trancelover, I've annoted each sound listed above with a time at which you can *best* hear it. Hope that helps!
@Julz
*mix the kick better* and yes I have already. 2nd mixthrough (to the best of my ability) is now posted. Have softened the piano slightly, kick has more *snap* and 0.5db more gain. Gated pad is now sidechained correctly.
Where else might I take the track? It's a fairly conventional build/break, build into main theme/outtro.
Lack of fx and/or crashes is not necessarily a bad thing either. Is there anything that you think crashes and instrument fx/white noise could possibly add to this track? I know that in conventional trance, the artist is relying on very repetitive lines that drive the song. FX and whitenoise then become necessary tools for transitioning and to break up monotony and hold interest, to great effect I might add. This track is a little more melodic however, and I've tried to rely more on progressive transitions with melodic content to hold interest, rather than FX.
Many of my friends who have listened, appreciate this tunes relaxing and smooth nature in absence of the stereotypical trance FX. I sought a more "ebb and flow" in my choice to exclude crashes, which can be a little more jarring or abrupt. |
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