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Bottom end cut-off
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| alexlosy |
Hey guys
I have been experimenting lately and really would appreciate some guidance....
For the past couple of years or so I have always rolled off the bass frequencies up to 20hz on my master buss. This resulted in a noticeable clearing up of my tracks, but I always found that there was still a lot of muddiness found in my tracks. I always had a lot of headroom taken up, even though the tracks still sounded pretty decent.
Recently I have revisited my low-end issues and decided to try a 40hz high pass on my master.
This results in a huge difference to my music, as it really clears up my bass and allows more headroom for my higher frequencies.
BUT my main issue is whether 40hz is too high to roll off. Do you think this will still sound ok when played in a club? I just can't figure it out on my monitors because I'm so used to always producing down to 20hz. I'm worried that a lot of the nice rumble will be lost on a large commercial system.
Would appreciate any responses and thoughts. What do you guys do? |
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| Richard Butler |
I have a tendancy to cut too much, generally rolling off from 50 and down. Now trying to let the track tell me what sounds right rather than using my eyes and numbers too much.
One thing I want to ask;
Do people use a really sharp 'cliff edge' to cut the lows, or a more
graduated curve, and if so what sort of curve? Something I've long wondered about.
Is it ok to cut just using standard DAW eq such as the stock main lane eq's in Cubase? |
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| alexlosy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
I have a tendancy to cut too much, generally rolling off from 50 and down. Now trying to let the track tell me what sounds right rather than using my eyes and numbers too much.
One thing I want to ask;
Do people use a really sharp 'cliff edge' to cut the lows, or a more
graduated curve, and if so what sort of curve? Something I've long wondered about.
Is it ok to cut just using standard DAW eq such as the stock main lane eq's in Cubase? |
Good point. I do try to use my ears, and it sounds ok on my monitors (KRK RP6 G2) but I'm worried about how it will sound in clubs.
I use a very steep cut off. I'm also keen to find out what you guys do as to a gentle curve or a steep curve? |
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| tehlord |
Roll off per channel, not on the master.
Although I do tend to roll off below 30hz when 'mastering' just out of habit, and to gain a little more headroom. |
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| alexlosy |
| quote: | Originally posted by tehlord
Roll off per channel, not on the master.
Although I do tend to roll off below 30hz when 'mastering' just out of habit, and to gain a little more headroom. |
Ok... what would you generally consider to be an appropriate roll off for the kick and bass so that you don't lose the rumble on a large system? (if you choose to roll off per channel)
I know it depends on each track etc etc, but there has to be a limit to which it is appropriate. |
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| cryophonik |
| For bass, I typically start with 40hz as a cutoff point and adjust up/down from there as needed. I'm more likely to move that cutoff point up to 50-60hz than I am to move it down, though. Another way to clear up the mud is to find the meatiest part of your bass (use a spectrum analyzer), and carve a notch in your kick drum at that same frequency range. This works well to avoid a buildup of frequencies in the muddy areas if both the kick and bass have a lot of overlapping energy. |
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| alexlosy |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
For bass, I typically start with 40hz as a cutoff point and adjust up/down from there as needed. I'm more likely to move that cutoff point up to 50-60hz than I am to move it down, though. Another way to clear up the mud is to find the meatiest part of your bass (use a spectrum analyzer), and carve a notch in your kick drum at that same frequency range. This works well to avoid a buildup of frequencies in the muddy areas if both the kick and bass have a lot of overlapping energy. |
Thanks.. do you use a steep curve or something more gradual? |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by alexlosy
Thanks.. do you use a steep curve or something more gradual? |
Usually, just a moderate slope unless my ears tell me otherwise. |
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| Beatflux |
| Aerobic to reduce the low end, squats to add some beef. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| i like a wide bottom, tight middle , a nice perky accentuation in the mid highs and a pretty high end that doesn't get in the way. I suppose you could think of like a nice hunky latin sailor. With a moustache. |
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| Rodri Santos |
| As for bass i usually raise around 100hz and start decreasing at 50hz, at 20hz is around -30db |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
i like a wide bottom, tight middle , a nice perky accentuation in the mid highs and a pretty high end that doesn't get in the way. I suppose you could think of like a nice hunky latin sailor. With a moustache. |
It seems like you have that resonant peak in the low mids taken care of. |
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