Here is my latest collaboration with Aliciya Angel titled "Everlasting", a commercial-ish dance/trance track. We're calling this one done and made it available for free download, if anybody's interested.
Dave, sounds nice, some parts better than others, for me it starts to gell around 2.20m, Though I find the voice quite autotuned and the whole arrangement a little bit muffled. I would look for a bit more distinction in instrumentation, rather than layer. I also think there is more potential in the progression, the 3rd and 4th chord could be a bit more exciting to my ear.
With more space and distinct I would aim for a Deadmau5 type "Longest road to knowhere" sound/instrumentation, think it would fit her voice quite nicely.
cryophonik
Thanks for listening, although I need to take issue with a few of your comments, because they're rather weird TBH. If you don't like the song, just tell me it sucks - I'm cool with that. ;)
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Originally posted by Raphie
I find the voice quite autotuned
I'm not sure if you're just not familiar with what auto-tuning sounds like or what, but aside from a few notes here and there (mostly to clean up some large and difficult intervals), there is very little pitch-correction on her voice. We're talking about a seasoned pro here, not much need to auto-tune her, so I'm not sure how/why you think you're hearing a lot of auto-tuning.
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Originally posted by Raphie
I also think there is more potential in the progression, the 3rd and 4th chord could be a bit more exciting to my ear.
I don't know what that's supposed to mean. It's not a conventional chord progression to begin with and I doubt more than a handful of people here could even identify the chords, but the idea with developing a chord progression is to make one that works with the melody, not to make individual chords sound exciting.
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Originally posted by Raphie
With more space and distinct I would aim for a Deadmau5 type "Longest road to knowhere" sound/instrumentation, think it would fit her voice quite nicely.
I don't get this comment at all. The song is done and it's written the way we wanted it to sound. I don't listen to Deadmau5, I'm not trying to sound like Deadmau5, and I'm not going to go back and try to make a completed song sound like Deadmau5. Why would I?
jack g
nice crisp mixdown from my end mate, nice work man.
Raphie
My comments were just based on my taste, considering the song is finished call it my "verdict" (but remember that's just my taste, not objective at all)
- vocal sounds a bit autotuned/artifical, maybe it's not autotune being used, but an intentional effect, but she sounds a bit nasal/vocoder'ish in places.
- I do like the melody, but not so much the chords supporting them, again my taste, not objective
- Find the first 2 mins a bit slow, song starts to work for me close to 2 mins
- I think the song would fit a simmilar setting as "the longest road to knowhere" It's just a comment, not much use for a finished song, but it came up in my mind "wow she would sound great in such a setting"
cryophonik
That's cool, but this...
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Originally posted by Raphie
- vocal sounds a bit autotuned/artifical, maybe it's not autotune being used, but an intentional effect, but she sounds a bit nasal/vocoder'ish in places.
There is something wrong with your monitoring system or your ears or something (bad download maybe?) because her vocals have nothing resembling a vocoder on them - just EQ, compression, de-esser, reverb, and delay, and nothing is used in an extreme enough manner to get any sort of intentional vocoder or autotune effect. They sound pretty much like Aliciya, and you're the only person to mention this.
Where specifically in the song are you hearing this?
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Originally posted by jack g
nice crisp mixdown from my end mate, nice work man.
Thanks jack! :)
Raphie
I've listened to the soundcloud stream on my XPS702, will download and listen the wav in my studio tomorrow.
It's very subtle, maybe it's just phasing from the vocal FX or "spread"
That's probably a better description, forget the autotune/vocoder comment, it's closer to a phasey floaty effect. Did you do anything with "widening" the vocal or hard panned L/R copies and delayed between them? or used a flanger or vocal plugin?
cryophonik
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Originally posted by Raphie
Did you do anything with "widening" the vocal or hard panned L/R copies and delayed between them? or used a flanger or vocal plugin?
Nope. If you listened to it, you can clearly tell that I used a single mono vocal panned dead-center with no widening for all the lead parts. You've gone from auto-tune to vocoder, and now to widening or flanging, four effects that sound very different and, obviously to anybody who has listened to it, none of which were used and none of which can be heard. I thought you were a mastering engineer. You should know this .
Raphie
I'm telling you what i'm hearing on my laptop listening to the soundcloud file. trying to describe it as good as possible.
It's not a guessing game, there is no prize. Neither am i making a judgement call on good or bad. I will listen in my studio tomorrow, it's probably just the 128kbit bitrate on my ty JBL WAVES audio on my XPS
tehlord
There's a couple of little moments in the track (now the conversation has made me listen again) that could possibly come across as heavy autotuning (4.42 for example) but having heard some dry acapellas of the Dave/Aliciya dynamic duo I'm pretty confident it's not something that's required.
As per my comments on the cloud, I think it's a great pop track that sits on the right side of the commercial cheese fence. The voice is expertly recorded and mixed as per usual
:)
meriter
not a fan of music like this but the production is all pro, obviously
cryophonik
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Originally posted by tehlord
There's a couple of little moments in the track (now the conversation has made me listen again) that could possibly come across as heavy autotuning (4.42 for example) but having heard some dry acapellas of the Dave/Aliciya dynamic duo I'm pretty confident it's not something that's required.
As per my comments on the cloud, I think it's a great pop track that sits on the right side of the commercial cheese fence. The voice is expertly recorded and mixed as per usual
:)
Thanks Geoff! I almost named my kid Commercial Cheese! :)
Not sure if that part was pitch-corrected or not, tbh (the vocals were actually recorded months ago, but I didn't get around to finishing it right away). The parts that I recall were definitely pitch-corrected were the intervals that dropped at the end of each of the chorus phrases (-last-ing; heart sing). Those kind of intervals seem simple enough, but a lot of singers have a tendency to over/under-shoot them.
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Originally posted by meriter
not a fan of music like this but the production is all pro, obviously
You don't like commercial cheese?! :eyes: Thanks for checking it out, meriter!
