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Seandroid - Sawblade (did a whole mess of work on this!) (pg. 2)
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| Seandroid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
The clap sounds a bit awkward, I think a more traditional snare would work better.
edit: sounds like you push the clap forward...still think it sounds awkward |
Oh - the clap is actually just sidechained to the kick a bit. I dig the clap but we'll see what the general consensus is. Someone told me it was epic hahaha. There's actually a traditional snare layered underneath for the low end but I'll see if it sounds better without the sidechain.
Thanks for the feedback, though.
| quote: | Originally posted by stewart.m
some sick tuneage |
Woot! :) Thanks man. |
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| Seandroid |
I just did a whole mess of work on the track, making the intro, break & drop have a lot more unity. The drop's a lot more powerful now too :)
Same player as above!
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| sicc |
| I must say seandroid, that I am not a fan of electro house at all, but your tracks seem to express something in a different way, give off appareant vibes to me, where as most any other electro I've heard has not. I dig that. From a production stance on this WIP, the release after the build up felt a bit dry, could maybe juice up the cymbal that is played on every quarter beat with the kick maybe with some verb, and add some whipping percussive elements inbetween to add another rythmic layer other then the lead. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
you always push the clap forward way too much. Honestly, i sounds awful. And if you want to be funky, well take a hint from the best drummers, they never played the snare ahead of the beat, always behind. Now this is a little tough when you have the kick But ya, what you are doing , just sounds awful.
your mixes are way too clean. They lack any sort of character You have synths that are supposed to sound dirty, but it is so damn clean. Start bussing stuff, adding compression and distortion to those busses. Get your drums pumping.
Your mixing is just not what this style needs. It sounds so thin , cold and unlike every single producer you like.
And those trance bell like sounds, what are you doing ? seriously. I mean you have those annoying digital sounds that just don't fit.
And don't side chain the kick to the snare. That is idiotic. Side chain the snare to and the kick to your other percussion elements. the kick and snare. leave them. Everything should form around that. Those are anchor points. The snare is just as important as the kick. And in every track you've ever made, you never get that feel right. If your kick and snare don't groove, you dn't have a track. |
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| Seandroid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
you always push the clap forward way too much. Honestly, i sounds awful. And if you want to be funky, well take a hint from the best drummers, they never played the snare ahead of the beat, always behind. Now this is a little tough when you have the kick But ya, what you are doing , just sounds awful.
your mixes are way too clean. They lack any sort of character You have synths that are supposed to sound dirty, but it is so damn clean. Start bussing stuff, adding compression and distortion to those busses. Get your drums pumping.
Your mixing is just not what this style needs. It sounds so thin , cold and unlike every single producer you like.
And those trance bell like sounds, what are you doing ? seriously. I mean you have those annoying digital sounds that just don't fit.
And don't side chain the kick to the snare. That is idiotic. Side chain the snare to and the kick to your other percussion elements. the kick and snare. leave them. Everything should form around that. Those are anchor points. The snare is just as important as the kick. And in every track you've ever made, you never get that feel right. If your kick and snare don't groove, you dn't have a track. |
I didn't side chain the kick to the snare lol. Come on, give me some credit. I did the exact opposite of that. And just a tiny bit so the levels didnt get psychotic, you barely hear it. I like how pushing it forward makes the snare snap in. I'll try making it a little less though. I know my mixes are overly clean but I'm always afraid to mud things up too much. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
you sidechained the kick input to the compressor on the snare ? Thats what it means when you say sidechain the kick to the snare. Side chain is the input , not the target.
either way, it is stupid. IF those elements are not working together. get a new sample. what you want to do is have a backwards clap leading to the snare. Have the snare layered so that it is a flam. google that word. |
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| MichaelHaber |
Tighten up the clap and add a little snare (in my opinion)
Not a big fan of the drop, but if you dropped to that original baseline with a few effect breaks it would be very dirty. |
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| Seandroid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
you sidechained the kick input to the compressor on the snare ? Thats what it means when you say sidechain the kick to the snare. Side chain is the input , not the target.
either way, it is stupid. IF those elements are not working together. get a new sample. what you want to do is have a backwards clap leading to the snare. Have the snare layered so that it is a flam. google that word. |
I've done the reversed clap too, this sounds different. I like it. I know what a flam is lol.
And the clap isn't side chained to the kick, it's side chained to a trigger with no output so I have more control. It's not heavy at all but I'll try a few different snares. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
yes but for all intents and purpose, it is a kick analog, most people use a hihat , but you still say kick because it is mirroring the kick. I just don't get the rational. The clap happens at the same tiem every time. So process the sample so it fits. Don't waste your time with this nonsense. If you are trying to do that sort of pumping sound, where you get the initial transients , then a sort of upward release to give motion, use a tool like nerve, or volume shaper by cableguys. Awesome plugin. But bounce it. Don't keep it running. Get it down, and print it.
Honestly. SIde chaining is just not the best way to do it. Evne if you wanted to side chain, there are better tools that offer way more control.
I think sidechaining is still good for say using a loop as an input and apply that to something static like a pad to give it motion. That sort of stuff. But as far as one element. Ya i don't see the point |
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| Seandroid |
Okay - so, I got the clap to sound a lot better now, basically everyone was right. :P
Now, on the other hand, L4C, what would you suggest for richening the mix? I mean, I have all my basses sent to a bus and they're compressed but not tonnes... maybe some white noise? |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| \i think you are being too surgical. I think it is a mistake everyone makes in the beginning. Your drums need more trash Less layers, more distortion. And start using sub busses, and squash things. You can always balance the dry/wet ratio. But for this style, compression is your friend. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
if you send me the project,
I will do you a favour and mix it for you. Ya, i constantly berate you but i think you could be good. I'm in your corner. sort of. |
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