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| Beatflux |
I think it comes down to lacking inspiration. I've been trying so hard to make something in the progressive format, but my muse is not really going for it anymore...
When I go for crazy ideas, I tend to finish them just because they excite me.
I listen to stuff that's already out there, and even though I like the stuff that's out there, trying to make stuff that's already been done just kind of bores me in a way.
I think I just have to go with my muse...that crazy broad. |
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| dj_alfi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
I think laidback puke does his tracks in 4...3 for writing then half for mixing and half and hour for mastering. |
and thats why all his tracks sound like 4 loops with different quantization. sure, they're clean sounding, but that's about where the praise stops.
Also, friends of me (dj's) who's seen him spin live at festivals etc. say he just goes 1 bar of turning the cdj-wheel backwards -> x-fader over to next song. He's a lazy twat who's gotten lucky with a few of his mashups. |
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| Rodri Santos |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_alfi
and thats why all his tracks sound like 4 loops with different quantization. sure, they're clean sounding, but that's about where the praise stops.
Also, friends of me (dj's) who's seen him spin live at festivals etc. say he just goes 1 bar of turning the cdj-wheel backwards -> x-fader over to next song. He's a lazy twat who's gotten lucky with a few of his mashups. |
His tracks are often so damn simple, for me isn't a producer to look up at all. About djing the technique i have seen videos and not only is a lazy ass but his technique is arguably. The only remarcable think is his that his sets are pretty diverse including several edm and non edm forms, if you like his stuff probably you'd enjoy his sets. I play a cypress hill bootleg by him often, i think it's cool to drop some classics from non strictly edm genres from time to time.
Avicii is similar thing but his melodies are elaborated and has an eye to create a hit, well it works for him picked what deadmau5 was doing 3 years ago and commercialized it. Instant sucess, once he has written the melody he can deliver a track of the kind in a week for sure. |
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| Richard Butler |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
Great things take time.
this attitude of doing things quick tends to churn up derivative generic music. You
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Fully agree here.
Just ask yourself this question peeps; would you see value in lets say a lump of stone very roughly carved in 4 hours, or would you see value in say a church gargoyle which a craftsman spent weeks or even months carving?
Do you value many painting made in 4 hours or do you marvell at master works that took masses of sweat and effort to create?
The easy bit is that first 2 hours 'fun' bit when it's all creation, but thats only the start of the story of making art. |
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| Richard Butler |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
I am just stuck in a rut, I write like one motif, extend it out and then it turns into an orgy of excessive tweaking.
yakult_41_final.wav - 35.3 Mb |
I took a listen - your'e always brutal with my tracks with typical a 3 word comment, but I'll try and give you some detail here.
Firstly the mix is excellent - to me your halve way there with that alone and it sound loud, energetic, clear and rounded.
I like the groove to, that's good.
Liking that lead pluck sound.
You've got the talent to make good tracks I suspect.
On the downside - and this is where the point about there being no short cuts comes in, the verb is not quite right on the early percs - it doesn't have those reflective bouncy subbtle qualities, it's to standard hall sounding - things like this take time (in case anyones still saying most tracks can be knowcked up in a few hours). For example the verb has to work on a variety of systems - there's no rushing this sort of systematic tracking down of good qualities.
And from a very decent start indeed, the track doesn't really go anywhere.
So by no means any kind of fail, but based on this example the overall composition needs to travel and get to somewhere. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
I took a listen - your'e always brutal with my tracks with typical a 3 word comment, but I'll try and give you some detail here.
Firstly the mix is excellent - to me your halve way there with that alone and it sound loud, energetic, clear and rounded.
I like the groove to, that's good.
Liking that lead pluck sound.
You've got the talent to make good tracks I suspect.
On the downside - and this is where the point about there being no short cuts comes in, the verb is not quite right on the early percs - it doesn't have those reflective bouncy subbtle qualities, it's to standard hall sounding - things like this take time (in case anyones still saying most tracks can be knowcked up in a few hours). For example the verb has to work on a variety of systems - there's no rushing this sort of systematic tracking down of good qualities.
And from a very decent start indeed, the track doesn't really go anywhere.
So by no means any kind of fail, but based on this example the overall composition needs to travel and get to somewhere. |
Thanks for the feedback. |
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| TranceLover007 |
I could definitely hear some nice and cool ideas in this demo but need to be farther develop or unwind - can give you a lot of credit for what you have done so far, you know what you are doing (and that's good sign).
I though that your mouth is bigger then your talent but I guess I was wrong ;)
Cheers man,
Darek |
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
I am just stuck in a rut, I write like one motif, extend it out and then it turns into an orgy of excessive tweaking.
yakult_41_final.wav - 35.3 Mb |
Production is pretty good, its just that the track doesnt really go anywhere for me - sounds like a collection of different ideas rather than 1 idea |
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| dj_alfi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
I am just stuck in a rut, I write like one motif, extend it out and then it turns into an orgy of excessive tweaking.
yakult_41_final.wav - 35.3 Mb |
Holy , it's contagious!!! |
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| NICKSON |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
I am just stuck in a rut, I write like one motif, extend it out and then it turns into an orgy of excessive tweaking.
yakult_41_final.wav - 35.3 Mb |
I hear you. The way to rationalise it is like this: there's no point tweaking like mad in the early stages of the track cause you'll only have to re-tweak as you add more stuff.
One of the less great bits of advice I've heard is to copy a track you like. This is tough cause more often than not you'll hear a particular element and either a) be baffled as to how it was made, or b) assume it was made a particular way and when you try to replicate, you frustratingly fail - this is because most elements are never made the way you assume, and sometimes, there's more going on than what you think - and there are always more layers than what you think.
My more successful methods have been to stick to an 8 or 16 bar loop and try to finish that as if it were a complete track. That way, at least you can prove to yourself that you can get something professional-sounding, from which you can then continue with the arrangement.
My biggest weakness is that as I produce, my ears get accustomed to what I'm hearing and I become biased towards my own track - to me it sounds fantastic. It's only until I a/b it with a pro track that reality kicks in - my tune wouldn't get a fly moving. "Using your ears" is not always a good idea because your ears can deceive you like mad. I guess it's important to keep comparing to a pro track to keep in check with reality. Stick to wanting things to sound perfect in order to be inspired and move on, but give yourself a bracket to work within like an 8 or 16 bar loop - if you're 60% happy with the bass synth/pattern and can't improve on it, move on and come back to it. You'd be surprised how elements sound when combined with other elements.
Trance production is hardest for those of us doing it by ourselves. A lot of producers when starting off knew other producers, so a lot of good advice was fed to them upfront. But if all you have is yourself and the Web, it can get difficult. Google has a lot of stuff, but it doesn't have everything. |
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
Fully agree here.
Just ask yourself this question peeps; would you see value in lets say a lump of stone very roughly carved in 4 hours, or would you see value in say a church gargoyle which a craftsman spent weeks or even months carving?
Do you value many painting made in 4 hours or do you marvell at master works that took masses of sweat and effort to create?
The easy bit is that first 2 hours 'fun' bit when it's all creation, but thats only the start of the story of making art. |
Im not sure i agree with your analogy here. Are you saying that a an absolutely brilliant beautiful track cannot be created in a few hours???
Like if someone showed you a painting and you thought it was amazing but then found out it was only made in 4 hours would that change your opinion of the painting??
Only reason im asking is that im pretty sure that some of my most favourite tracks didnt take weeks to make |
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