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Becoming Better (pg. 2)
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| marc2001dj |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
Yes that's a 20 year American study into what makes good people, great, but imo a little simplistic.
For example there is no way I could ever be one of those truly gifted dancers, or a top 100m sprinter - sure I'm athletic and love sport but I just don't have the starting gifts for those 2.
So I think I've concluded you need a degree of natural attributes + 10,000 hours + right place right time / access |
What would the natural attributes be out of interest? Please don't say hair because I've just started to lose mine. |
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| Richard Butler |
| quote: | Originally posted by marc2001dj
What would the natural attributes be out of interest? Please don't say hair because I've just started to lose mine.
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Hard to define what innate traites underpin a good producer. Perhaps a great instant imagination so as to 'know' what needs to happen on the next bar. Perseverance. An eye for detail. Sense of rythmn. Golden ears able to blend good combinations of sound. Staying power - I find the last 30% of making a track is where staying power really counts. So far I'm always a bit ropey in the final stretch.
I do tend to prefer producers that know how to actually play - something in the way they construct a chord / melodic progression. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| The 10 000 hours is 10 000 of considerate and conscious study. I don't think it applies to edm tho. |
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| tehlord |
The natural ability to not try and pursue a path that others have already trodden to death is a good start.
Oh and don't forget to study music as well as tech. That's where most people doing EDM fall down imo. |
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| Richard Butler |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
The 10 000 hours is 10 000 of considerate and conscious study. I don't think it applies to edm tho. |
When I read that study summary, it talked some about how those entrants into music academy for example as violinists, that truly dedicated to 10,000+ hours were the ones that ended up the most sucesful later.
It also cited the example of the guy that wrote java script saying he was in the right place at the right time as his Uni allowed him access to a brand new state of the art mainframe computer, almost unheard of back then. He was allowed to use it all through the night.
Like you say I'm not entirly convinced it applies to edm - there's millions of 'producers' out there |
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| fredjan |
| This is stuff I've been wondering for quite some time as well. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
Like you say I'm not entirly convinced it applies to edm - there's millions of 'producers' out there |
a fraction of them have any innate ability and an even smaller percentage of them put in the work. Not to mention EDM tends to attract those that have never had experience playing an instrument. There are very few people that would fit in the category of having the potential to be good. Not that one has to play an instrument but the studies show that doing music in those formative years when your brain is being moulded in a very fast way, the brain of a musician is different. And much like learning languages before a certain age, music is the same. Not that you can't learn it after, but it is just really really slow. |
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| meriter |
Whatever you do don't get stuck in that 40 hour work week and let life pass you by. Took me a long time to realize there just aren't enough hours in the day to work fulltime at a job AND get anywhere doing what you love. You get home from work just completely burnt out... that response is built into the system. I think a lot of the time once people land that cushy day job the vitality of getting anywhere with music kinda goes out the window
Out of your 3 options I'd say go to uni for music.. not cause you'd learn a lot but because it helps so much to surround yourself with supportive people in a similar situation |
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| Looney4Clooney |
every music program at every university requires an audition on an instrument. And the levels are pretty high. Even at the bad ones. And they put alot of focus on performance even if you just want to learn about music.
i think this is the problem with starting to think about music as a career at such an old age. It is something you want to sort of think about at 12-13 where you can spend 5-8 hours a day. It is really hard to find that time later on.
And all those tech schools that teach music or mixing or production are a scam. You spend like 6 months on theory you could learn from google, then you get to each take turns on an ssl as you record 1 band. That 1 year cost you 20 000. |
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| fredjan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
i think this is the problem with starting to think about music as a career at such an old age. It is something you want to sort of think about at 12-13 where you can spend 5-8 hours a day. It is really hard to find that time later on.
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Would starting at 16 work? the information that is already here on TA would definitely speed up things by a lot.
granted, I'd be starting from scratch, as I virtually know nothing about music theory/engineering |
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| fredjan |
| edit: double post |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by fredjan
Would starting at 16 work? the information that is already here on TA would definitely speed up things by a lot.
granted, I'd be starting from scratch, as I virtually know nothing about music theory/engineering |
you can start at any age. The point is that there are certain brain developments that require exposure at certain ages. And 16 would be beyond that. I think if you are only 16 and haven 't had any time to ascertain if this is for you, making a decision to go full out is a bad idea. The music thing is one one aspect and it isn't a deal breaker. It is just something that many people lack. it isn't a death sentence. Alot of production related stuff doesn't really use that part of the brain anyways . |
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