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Button Pusher Debate (pg. 2)
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| dj_alfi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Agree, most people that use Ableton and other live software often seem like they are doing nothing special. |
Or "other live software"?`What the are you talking about Nou? That makes NO sense. Usually there's a hint of understanding, but man.. What the is "live software"? Is it short for Alive? Is the software becoming aware of itself? |
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| ziptnf |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_alfi
Or "other live software"?`What the are you talking about Nou? That makes NO sense. Usually there's a hint of understanding, but man.. What the is "live software"? Is it short for Alive? Is the software becoming aware of itself? |
I'm sure he's meaning DJ software that has looping, sampling, and FX features as opposed to a sequencer like Fruity Loops. |
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| meriter |
The article is not just about DJing its about the methods producers use to bring their material to the stage. If you're just DJing with ableton... well... that's embarrassing. Not really what the article is about though it's about the reality of electronic music in a live setting.
If you're an enormous festival act I can see why it's important to have everything safe and planned out, I mean not really but I get it. Even with like say vocal EDM tracks you couldn't bring out a singer for that? Really you seriously couldn't pull together the resources and fly out some chick to actually sing? Nope I'm just gonna play the recording. That's what everyone wants to see right some guy in a booth douching-out while a recording plays. I suppose it's a shame the audience doesn't demand a higher standard. As long you don't have some ridiculous light-show to sync up with there are so few limitations, and I feel bad for the people who don't understand the technology enough to think there's actually some kind of performance going on. Like the Amon Tobin show, you're basically just watching a movie. I remember going to raves back in the day and seeing DJs pretend to turn knobs and hit buttons and that correspond with different things happening in the track. And most people don't know any better. If you do that you are like mime status or at the very least clown. And I love DJs complaining that their record bag was too heavy so they switched to cds. These people have obviously never played in a band. Oh poor baby your record bag is heavy here why don't you teardown/haul/setup and mic this drum kit for a 45 minute set. Then tear it all down again and then talk to me about the hassles of DJing with vinyl. Okay sorry this turned into a rant
Anyway... if you are not comfortable with performing why the are you even on a stage. Blech. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
Blaming the tool is sort of silly no ? There is a rather wide spectrum of things one can do with live and the right controllers. Things a dj on just 1200's could not do. The method of delivery is not what should be judged. A laptop dj might suck because he is always looking at the screen and not very engaging. That is a limitation of the person , not the tool.
a dj should be judged on the output, not how it is done. Because a button pusher is pretty close to a knob twiddler ....
Personally i feel the dj should be judged on the quality of his/her possee in the background. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_alfi
Or "other live software"?`What the are you talking about Nou? That makes NO sense. Usually there's a hint of understanding, but man.. What the is "live software"? Is it short for Alive? Is the software becoming aware of itself? |
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Retard. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by meriter
Even with like say vocal EDM tracks you couldn't bring out a singer for that? Really you seriously couldn't pull together the resources and fly out some chick to actually sing? |
Every time I have heard a live vocalist for dance tracks it sucks balls. |
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| meriter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Every time I have heard a live vocalist for dance tracks it sucks balls. |
I suppose then it is important to find vocalists that do not suck balls |
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| Looney4Clooney |
i sort of like a live mc to hype me up giving my pills that extra boost. And while i'm having a seizure in the corner while i attempt to masturbate, it is reassuring that the mc is letting me know the genre i'm getting down to and just how high the roof is being raised.
The thing with modern dance music, is that it is first recorded music. Bands, well traditionally , where actually live acts that were then recorded. They were better live and had to tone it down because of recording limitations. So live was better although i would say this has changed. In fact i would say the overall musicianship is just not where it was , for one to do things "live". Even live acts are not so live wether there is a backing vocal track, the drummer being fed a click or a loop playing on top.
The obsession with live is a comparison to something that dancing events are not. I don't see why they have to be, It is what it is. It isn't the same and the fact that something is live, which is really hard to define because i dj is live, he/she is improvising ( most djs), doesn't make it better. It usually makes it more monotonous.
That is something about events that are different than live acts. The experience is more about you and your friends and those delicious rave pills than watching someone else and giving them your attention. Not saying one is better but they are different and i can understand the appeal of enjoying something that isn't really live or something to watch. |
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| Guest |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
A laptop dj might suck because he is always looking at the screen and not very engaging. That is a limitation of the person , not the tool.
a dj should be judged on the output, not how it is done.
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I totally agree. |
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| djdk |
I play other peoples music because it feeds my soul, not my ego. I like to seek out new music and then share it with other people, this is good for the world. Other people do this too, which is also good for the world. Some people play other peoples music to feed their egos, unsurprisingly these people make the most noise. I tend to ignore them.
But more importantly, Nick, can the clientele of your store get unlimited grated cheese on their purchases? |
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| Vector A |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
That is something about events that are different than live acts. The experience is more about you and your friends and those delicious rave pills than watching someone else and giving them your attention. Not saying one is better but they are different and i can understand the appeal of enjoying something that isn't really live or something to watch. |
100% correct. |
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| Spacey Orange |
| wut, no cor version? you guis are slippin' |
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