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About derived scales in C Major Scale
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| Dj Goran |
Greetings, a little beginners question about scales
Want to ask
If I play only white kays on keyboard like this
GABCDEF and DEFGABC and EFGABCD
This scales, do they have some special name
What is the name of them ?
I know if I start from A It is A minor
If starting from C it is C Major
Thank you
On the internet are so many sites about this
But all of them are comples
Maybe someone can give me some easyer site, to learn this matter |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| Google the words scales / modes |
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| cryophonik |
Those are called modes.
CDEFGABC = Ionian (aka major scale)
DEFGABCD = Dorian
EFGABCDE = Phrygian
FGABCDEF = Lydian
GABCDEFG = Mixolydian
ABCDEFGA = Aeolian (aka natural/pure minor scale)
BCDEFGAB = Locrian
There are others as well, just google "musical modes" or something and you should be able to find more info. Also, just FYI, the modes don't just apply to the white notes. For example:
E F# G A B C# D E = E Dorian |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Goran
This scales, do they have some special name
What is the name of them ? |
No, there's no special name for scales with "white keys only". (Maybe "beginner scales" or "modes of C major"? But those are contrived classifications, not particularly useful ones in composition.)
Scales are (dumbing this down massively) generally categorized by the number of intervals, the tonic, and the mode. Try to learn the broader musical concepts instead of imposing a keyboard-centric view. |
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| cryophonik |
| Modes are very important in both composition and performance and they're useful in a variety of ways. That's we why spend so much time studying them in music theory, practicing them for performance, etc. I think it IS appropriate to study them on a piano and to understand the relationships between each mode and its tonal center, , how and why modes are used to build the chords of each scale degree, or how to use the various modes to step outside the tonic key, etc. It's not imperative to know this information, but it certainly is useful information for anybody wanting to gain a deeper understanding of harmony, improvisation, etc. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
Modes are very important in both composition and performance and they're useful in a variety of ways. |
Knowing what the different modes are and when/why to use them is important, but pigeonholing all of the C modes specifically into some contrived category with a "special name" is barking way up the wrong tree. Modes have to do with intervals and tonality, not which key on the C scale they start from.
The question is asking if there's something inherently special about scales that only use "white keys". Maybe my memory isn't what it used to be, but having spent 10 years on piano, I can't really remember "white keys" being a subject of interest - except, I guess, that they're easier for beginners to play.
Sorry, but I have to agree with L4C for once, this question is easily and trivially answered by the Wikipedia entries. I'm tired of seeing questions that essentially say "explain this weird scale shtuff to me, the intarwebz are too complimacated". Come on, make an effort. |
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| Dj Goran |
Well am not mening literally GABCDEF
But tha name for the scale with this ratios
2212212 and 21222122 and 1222122 (1=100)cents (2-200)cents
This are often used in Byzantine Music
There they have other names
But I was wondering if they have some Europian Names
Thank you |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Goran
But tha name for the scale with this ratios
2212212 and 21222122 and 1222122 (1=100)cents (2-200)cents
This are often used in Byzantine Music
There they have other names
But I was wondering if they have some Europian Names
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The modes you described above are western modes that are based on 12 equally spaced tones. Definitely outside of my area of expertise here, but, as I recall from my theory many many years ago, there is no Byzantine equivalent because the scales used in Byzantine music have a much finer resolution (i.e., micro-tones) that can't be replicated with a western 12-note scale, particularly not with a piano. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Goran
Well am not mening literally GABCDEF
But tha name for the scale with this ratios
2212212 and 21222122 and 1222122 (1=100)cents (2-200)cents
This are often used in Byzantine Music
There they have other names
But I was wondering if they have some Europian Names
Thank you |
there are literally hundreds of documented scales. |
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| CondomMachine |
| don't worry about the scales. focus on making beautiful music that makes other people better and happier |
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