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soundcloud and youtube security for music (pg. 2)
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| J.L. |
And those are likely not going to be the people who buy tracks anyways. The only people that are going to buy your tracks are either DJ's that want high quality formats, or Mr. Law-abiding Honest Hal.
I say more exposure is never a bad thing, even if it cuts into miniscule amount of sales that artists get from selling their music online these days.
IMO, the best way to earn a decent buck is to a) put out a good product, b) get positive exposure, and c) profit off of the exposure.
Earning a buck off of it is important, but nowhere near as important of potentially getting more exposure. If someone steals it off youtube/soundcloud, and puts a download link to people who don't buy music anyways, let them. One day, these people will eventually decide that they don't want to deal with 10 casino or "tricks to a flat belly" pop-ups everytime they want to download a track and pay 1 or 2$ for it.
Imagine if Facebook tried to profit early on by putting ads before it established its userbase. |
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| clay |
| Just a tip for any noob or anyone delusional; forget about the money! the sooner you do this the sooner you can focus on making good music and spread it around everywhere and maybe make a name for yourself - then, only then, its time to start thinking about whether there is some money possibilities in this or not and look for a label or consider being a dj/liveact. music industry is dead the way people think it works, i get pretty angry when people i know from childhood ask how much money ive made on my music, and when they wonder why i bother when i say that its almost nothing to earn on it. for me its hobby, i have a good time, and its great therapy. its only a bonus if others like what i make too, and if theres money in it someday i will consider it as winning a lottery and still keep my dayjob and buy realestate for every penny. |
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| meriter |
I just upload 192kpbs mp3s to soundcloud
It creates some weird artifacts while still getting the point across, if people want to stream rip a 192k mp3 that's fine.
I only started doing this after a friend got offended I wouldn't give him a 320 of an unreleased track so he openly admitted to just ripping the off soundcloud... like "oh fine i'll just steal it then!" Thanks.
I've also ran into DJs who've said if they can't find a track on any of the download sites they will just rip it off youtube and play that through a club system, which I'm sure sounds amazing |
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| clay |
| another reason why you should upload 320 or wav. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| i would upload a version that has slight difference. So you can at least track those that have an illegal version. And if a big dj happens to use it, which they will. him up Jew style. |
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| Woony |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
i would upload a version that has slight difference. So you can at least track those that have an illegal version. And if a big dj happens to use it, which they will. him up Jew style. |
If people aren't falling over themselves to send you their unreleased material you aren't a big DJ. Either way, if you are good enough to make tracks that big DJ's badly want to have you're probably on some sort of promo pool or you're friends with them. |
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| Storyteller |
| quote: | Originally posted by J.L.
Don't upload in full quality.
If they want to release a 192 or 128 kbs quality mp3. Let them go right on ahead. |
A friend of mine had his 128kbps mp3 remix preview released. He never handed over the wav because the label never offered him a proper contract. You really can't stop it. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by Woony
If people aren't falling over themselves to send you their unreleased material you aren't a big DJ. Either way, if you are good enough to make tracks that big DJ's badly want to have you're probably on some sort of promo pool or you're friends with them. |
trust me , when you are big enough, you don't need djs to promo your music. This tradition is so 2000. The only djs that actually make a difference in sales are ones with radio shows that actually name the track. Djs are s that way. I mean you get tracklists with ID. How the does someone not know what they are playing in this day and age.
Honestly, this is one of the biggest ing myths in EDM and i don't get why producers buy it. It might increase your exposure as a noob saying, so and so played my music and makes for a good bio quote. BUt in terms of sales. FIrst off, playing it llive, nobody ing knows it is yours. How does that translate into sales. It doesn't. The only way it does is via podcasts and even then, the only ones that actually do anything are the ones that are in a radio show format, not mixed. A mixed podcast with a tracklist that doesn't indicate when a track is playing is about as useful as having no track list.
Promo pools are a ing joke. And even then . you should know who is on that pool and if anyone is playing that track who isn't meant to have it , you know. And except for the top guys that are making millions, that middle level dj tier, they will steal your track if they can. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by clay
Just a tip for any noob or anyone delusional; forget about the money! the sooner you do this the sooner you can focus on making good music and spread it around everywhere and maybe make a name for yourself - then, only then, its time to start thinking about whether there is some money possibilities in this or not and look for a label or consider being a dj/liveact. |
Sig worthy. That's it in a nutshell - there is no money at the bottom of the ladder; it's either make nothing, or make a ton, so you have to resign yourself the realistic fact that you may never make anything from music, and if you do make anything, it will be because you either created something incredible, or you slogged away for years at making a trusted name for yourself which you were then able to cash in on.
I really don't get why people upload full unreleased/new tracks on youtube. Just upload the meat, and spam the vid with links to beatport and sell the track on there for 50c. That's cheap and easy enough for even the most pikey to pony up 1/18th of a tall soy mocha latte. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
there is something funny about people that don't even show up on the beatport chart whining about money. IF you can't make it on the beatport chart, I mean you kinda suck. UNless you are making some very indie type music but that isn't the case for most. Even then , you have to be a ing moron to think beatport sells enough to make money. Which makes me just cringe when you see idiot labels selling exclusively on beatport. Beatport exclusive deals are probably one the best ways to not make money. It isn't rocket science.
more people are making a living now than ever. In the 70s, you had no control , making a good living was paramount to winning the lottery. You had to meet 4 other members that you could get aong with for 10 years, be in the right city at the right time. HOnestly, it has never been easier. There are literally no gatekeepers anymore. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
there is something funny about people that don't even show up on the beatport chart whining about money. IF you can't make it on the beatport chart, I mean you kinda suck. UNless you are making some very indie type music but that isn't the case for most.
more people are making a living now than ever. In the 70s, you had no control , making a living was paramount to winning the lottery. You had to be in the right city at the right time. HOnestly, it has never been easier. There are literally no gatekeepers anymore. |
For the music industry as a whole? Maybe. For EDM? not at all.
I know countless guys who made a good living of making tracks being sold in record shops on small labels and even by repping themselves on a sale or return basis.
Now you might get a release on beatport but will you see anything that will come close to paying the rent? not on your life. In fact I doubt even the major artists make decent on beatport alone, their main stream of revenue is going to be performance and licensing.
Not that it's all about beatport anyway, but I think it;s never been more difficult for new EDM artists to make money. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
in EDM.
you were in London
until maybe 2000, there really was nobody in America making dance. Sure there were those pioneers but as soon as the UK took over, you were either in UK , or Berlin or some other country in europe.
And i'm taking into account the component of djing. There are just more djs now making more money than ever.
And EDM economics are ing retarded. There is so much more money to be made. |
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