I think everyone needs to relax. A track was posted. I stated the reasons why it didn't work for me. Maybe this is a one off. I listened to some of his other stuff and ironically, it was EDM but with live elements on top which rubbed the wrong with as well. I like my live music sounding live, and my EDM sounding machine made.
I don't think I said anyone was wrong for liking it. I don't think i claimed to know more than anyone. Not sure why some of you get so angry. This is one track.
Guest
Hey dont beat yourself up Looney. Generally any type of complaining on a messageboard will be met with fierce resistance. It has little to do with being wrong or right, its more that, in order to complain you're generally in a negative mindset, and messageboard members naturally flock to negativity like a moth to a flame. Its the nature of the beast.
You're outnumbered. Best to retreat.
P.S. this track is sick.
Looney4Clooney
I was not complaining, Posted why i don't like it. posted an example of how i thought it could be better. I mean you got to hear something somewhat the same with live people playing. maybe you think about what i say and wonder what about the drums sound fake or maybe they sound fine to you. Or you post an example of a track of his i might like better. I just don't see how this is battlefield where someone that has a view that isn't shared should retreat.
SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
I think everyone needs to relax.
I'm totally relaxed. I'm just pointing out that you look very stupid for saying a multi-instrumentalist doesn't know anything about real instruments. Personally, I think this is yet another entry into your "All dance producers are morons" crusade, which is clouding your judgement.
Looney4Clooney
I've never had that view.
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Last word
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More Joe:
sg_57
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
If you had the slightest ing clue who Joe Claussell is, you'd probably realise how stupid you sound right now.
Some battles are not even worth fighting. This clearly being one of them.
The worst part is that to some degree I could actually agree that however talented many people use lazy drum programming that is over-quantized and devoid of the sorts of subtleties or variations that could potentially make it much more listenable.
But from there to cast aspersions on that person's character and tag them as ignorant is like saying that someone who types "musician ship" in a post doesn't know how to properly use the English language...
...which I wouldn't dream of doing, of course.
Merely pointing out that those doing the criticizing usually greatly benefit from having their own house in order before talking about the neighbor's messy backyard. :tongue2
Looney4Clooney
So an opinion is only valid if the delivery is written with meticulous syntax ? What annoys me is that any retort seems to address issues that are not really touching the main issues I raised. I mentioned a characteristic I didn't like. Nobody has challenged that or explained why for them it isn't important. Instead there seems to be an obesession with discounting that opinion on things that are not really relevant. He might be Steve gadd. The drums in the track still detract at least for me the from the tune. I approached this from a position of taste. Somehow discounting musical discourse based on one's English syntax a little childish. Like disagreeing with a mathematical concept because the individual did not capitalize a character. Esssentially, you would consider say a nuclear physicist and his/her views wrong because regardless of what they have to say, a minor error that doesn't really have anything to do with the message and probably doesn't impede your understanding is more important.
I think that sort of approach one people use when they are not really interested in other ideas they don't share and it provides an easy straw man. Wagner said things most people would consider full retard. Not once, or twice. His entire career is littered with bat crazy moronic ideas that might find sympathy with the KKK. He also happens to considered on off if not the greatest composer of all time. If you would start discounting every idea based on the delivery, you would be pretty surprised those that wouldn't meet your criteria.
Why you give english so much weight but say knowledge on music absolutely none is sort of counter productive. I would understand if this was a writing forum. It isn't. We aren't discussing writing. Well you are and i know why and i'm sure you know why as well. Anyways...
sg_57
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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney Somehow discounting musical discourse based on one's English syntax a little childish.
Playing with you and you're swallowing it all hook, line & sinker.
But then again, what others had issues with may not have been your opinon of the track, rather what you wrote below:
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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney IT sounds awful when you try and sound non electronic and have everything programmed like that by someone that doesn't know how to program.
i mean this is pretty much what that is trying to do but by people that are musicians.
Sorry to disagree, but Claussell's prolific output clearly shows him to be a first-rate musician, composer and producer who does know what he is doing (even if you don't think so), and understands a thing or two about programming.
That you don't like this particular piece's rigid drum programming (and as I said, it might well be that I could agree with a general part of that opinion) doesn't automatically make it OK for you to imply further things about him in the quasi-defamatory manner that you did.
In that spirit, I found it just as worthwhile to troll you; the very point of my reply was to clearly strike you as being idiotic, so that it would make you notice that what you said was (in my opinion) a bit uncalled for, and downright stereotypical. And that made you look like...[/whatever]
Looney4Clooney
I find it awful when one tries to make it sound like a real instrument but ends up with a non convincing result. The end result to me sounds like a kareoke version. Ir does sound like someone that doesn't know how to program drums. This is opinion. Lars Ulrich, is an awful drummer. There is not a single professional on this planet that would argue. He sounds great on the albums. Claussel programmed an awful drum track. I assumed he had enough integrity that it wasn't a mater of lazyness so I assumed he didn't know as much as he could. To be honest i am still puzzled as to how someone with so much experience as a musician albeit impossible to find details, managed such a thing.
Then i posted a video that was similar but played by real musicians and the difference is rather large.
Claussel's output, to be honest i still have not found anything but EDM. I have found no actual mention of his career as a musician other than the one mention of Mino Cinelu which doesn't state what he was actually playing or for how long. There are no recordings that i could find or videos or pictures of him playing. No mention in any magazines , ones that focus on drums, and jazz. But that really is irrelevant. he might be the greatest drummer on the planet. I don't even know which instrument he plays. System J mentioned he was a percussionist. That doesn't mean you can play a kit. It does usually make one sensitive to rhythm so even if the drums are programmed in way a drummer would not typically play, you would expect it to be consistent in terms of grooving. It doesn't. The track still sounds stale. And the drums for me are the biggest culprit for me not really digging it. Much like CGI when you watch a movie. It just doesn't feel right.
sg_57
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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney onest i still have not found anything but EDM. I have found no actual mention of his career as a musician other than the one mention of Mino Cinelu which doesn't state what he was actually playing or for how long. There are no recordings that i could find or videos or pictures of him playing.
Some recent things I heard about... there's probably more.
