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[Trance] - That Will Never Be, Again (pg. 2)
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| Deillon |
You've build a track around a beat and a bassline for 11 minutes, apart from the change at 5.14, it's the same throughout the whole track. No wonder people think it's repetetive.
It's good trip music tho. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by WhatsTheStory
That is the problem with why music has become . Now everyone and there grandmother thinks they can make "beats"
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Ugh...give it a rest already. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by WhatsTheStory
You never did answer to my question of how long you have been producing.
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Your approach is obviously confrontational. It's intent is unmistakeably sadistic. When the strategy of abuse is completely apparent, why would I knowingly participate?
| quote: | Originally posted by WhatsTheStory
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
I have no idea who you are, let alone where you're coming from. You're intimating that you know me by making allusions to things I've probably said or songs I've posted. You honestly haven't been more harsh than anything I've thought about the track. You've provided a lot of subjective and generic feedback that has more to do with personal preferences than it does with any qualitative evaluation. It's not that it's necessarily invalid but there is no context (i.e. knowing you from previous exchanges, hearing your work, et al) to evaluate it against. Being that I've already thought about and tested the very features of the track you're decrying (too much echo, no break), I'm going to go ahead and dismiss this.
I used to be "harsh" in my feedback to other people. I've definitely pushed the envelope, in terms of being caustic, on line and if you've been subject to that, I apologize and it won't happen, again. |
wow of course you are gonna try to say that because I thought your track wasn't good that somehow I have some personal vendetta against you lol. I was actually an active member way before your time on here and stopped posting around 5-6 years ago so no cant say i've been subjected to anything from you. Fact of the matter is this track is utter garbage.It lacks any soul what so ever and should as I said in my first post be 3-4 minutes long with the elements that you even have in it,11 minutes? Really? That to me was one of the saddest parts of the track that you think it had to be that long lol. Anyone who listens to this kinda music would have shut it off in the first minute since you decided to have the main bassline come in almost 2 and a half minutes in.By the 4 minute mark I was falling asleep. You really should consider these kinds of things in your future music making sessions. Same old story lmao, And of course you would say that my evaluation isn't valid because you haven't heard my work. Do you go to school for arguing on the internet 101 lol.
It is funny the fact that I wasted my time trying to be helpful and giving you feedback that would help make the track better and you decided to defend it even though you always claim you don't do any defending lol. You did the same thing to excess who you must be friends with cause no way would anyone compare this to breakfast if you guys werent lol. I dont think you will ever be able to achieve that kind of sound if your life depended on it.
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| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Deep House is no more defined by the absence of a breakdown than Trance is defined by having one or more; let alone adhering to a formula. I'm calling it trance because of its four-on-the-floor beat, rolling bass-line, predominantly synth driven instrumentation, and 135 BPM tempo; among other reasons. I'm sure someone, somewhere, might be able to find a deep-house song with the above-mentioned characteristics but it will still sound like a deep-house song and not a trance song.
My song has no jazz phrasing or chord work. The kick is placed in a much smaller relation to the rest of the instruments than it would be in Deep House. The mix is much more dense than what typically occurs in Deep House and the transitions in Deep House, along with the rest of the form, are far more melodically anchored and typically (but not always) organized around more traditional song structures (i.e. intro, verse, bridge, chorus, et al).
I'm not defending my work, here. I really have no hang-up about it being called Trance and I'm not going to be offended if someone else says it reminds them of Detroit Techno. I think a lot of attention is mistakenly paid to very superficial attributes of music, in general, in trying to categorize it. I also think that when a genre becomes commonly defined by its stereotypical tropes, the nails have been put in the coffin, in terms of its longevity or relevance. The best categorizations are derived from a constellation of attributes and how they relate to one another, without a particular focus on significant features that are either present or lacking. |
Man you sure are delusional. Rolling Bassline? synth driven instrumentation? More dense than deep house? Wtf. Do you live in LaLa land lol. Firstly you main bass isnt a rolling bassline. Its a simple offbeat that has been played out since 2000. You wanna claim that you attempt to be original and then put in the same kind of bass as maybe 10 billion other tracks the last 20 years... Synth Driven? lol man you should pick up being a comedian. As I said in my first post the synth you have after 8 minutes was the highlight of the track but that first synth you have playing over almost the entirety of the track has 4 notes(prob should've added some delay to it lmao), Which makes the fact that you think this is a dense arrangment even more funny.. it sounds like you have 5-6 elements besides the random drum fills you have playing throughout the track. It is a shame that there is way to much open access to music making tools now a days. That is the problem with why music has become . Now everyone and there grandmother thinks they can make "beats"
You never did answer to my question of how long you have been producing.
I've heard tracks from ppl on here who have been producing less than 6 months that have their music better put together.Tracks like this just prove that there are too many ppl who dont know what they are doing when it comes to producing. I don't think this track would have been acceptable even 20 years ago... |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Deep House is no more defined by the absence of a breakdown than Trance is defined by having one or more; let alone adhering to a formula. I'm calling it trance because of its four-on-the-floor beat, rolling bass-line, predominantly synth driven instrumentation, and 135 BPM tempo; among other reasons. I'm sure someone, somewhere, might be able to find a deep-house song with the above-mentioned characteristics but it will still sound like a deep-house song and not a trance song.
My song has no jazz phrasing or chord work. The kick is placed in a much smaller relation to the rest of the instruments than it would be in Deep House. The mix is much more dense than what typically occurs in Deep House and the transitions in Deep House, along with the rest of the form, are far more melodically anchored and typically (but not always) organized around more traditional song structures (i.e. intro, verse, bridge, chorus, et al).
I'm not defending my work, here. I really have no hang-up about it being called Trance and I'm not going to be offended if someone else says it reminds them of Detroit Techno. I think a lot of attention is mistakenly paid to very superficial attributes of music, in general, in trying to categorize it. I also think that when a genre becomes commonly defined by its stereotypical tropes, the nails have been put in the coffin, in terms of its longevity or relevance. The best categorizations are derived from a constellation of attributes and how they relate to one another, without a particular focus on significant features that are either present or lacking. |
Just to clarify, in light of the troll in this thread, I wasn't saying that my music is better/more complex than Deep House. I was merely pointing out that my mix doesn't make use of the spaces found in typical Deep House mixes. Honestly, I think I suck as a music producer, but I enjoy doing it, anyway. I make music that I enjoy listening to. It's repetitive, muddy goop and while I'm interested in improving it with each song's iteration (and showing it off here for both praise and ridicule), I've had to accept the fact that I am some mutant retard with obvious, severe deficiencies in musical tastes and ability. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Deillon
You've build a track around a beat and a bassline for 11 minutes, apart from the change at 5.14, it's the same throughout the whole track. No wonder people think it's repetetive. |
Actually, I did the opposite. The rest of the instrumentation came from samples I'd made for another piece of music. After I had that, in place, I built the rhythm section around it.
| quote: | Originally posted by Deillon
It's good trip music tho. |
Thanks. |
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| WhatsTheStory |
So i'm a troll because I thought your track was bad?
If you don't recall in my first post I tried to be helpful and actually listened to you track fully through and it just didnt cut it. You came back with some stupid comment saying that my opinion wasn't relevant because you thought I got from you in the past. Now i'm a troll. you really are ace lmao. You still keep dodging my question as to how long you've been producing. This track sounds like you made it in 20 minutes.
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Your approach is obviously confrontational. It's intent is unmistakeably sadistic. When the strategy of abuse is completely apparent, why would I knowingly participate? |
Lol I didn't come to this thread looking to abuse you but the fact that you felt the need to defend your track instead of saying thanks for me wasting my time and giving pointers that would make the track better made me think maybe I should mess with this little bitch alittle lol. I guess you can give but cant get it back. You did the same thing the last time you posted a track when looney gave you feedback that would have helped the track. Don't cry too much now |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by WhatsTheStory
So i'm a troll because I thought your track was bad?
If you don't recall in my first post I tried to be helpful and actually listened to you track fully through and it just didnt cut it. You came back with some stupid comment saying that my opinion wasn't relevant because you thought I got from you in the past. Now i'm a troll. you really are ace lmao. You still keep dodging my question as to how long you've been producing. This track sounds like you made it in 20 minutes. |
No. You weren't helpful. You were condescending. You want people to think you're being helpful - that's what your animosity is disguised as - but really, you're just being abusive and you know you're being abusive.
I'm not ever going to answer your questions. You're clearly not interested in having the conversations I'm interested in having. Having a discussion of that nature requires trust and, honestly, by your first post, you'd already dispensed with that. The only reason you and I are having this conversation is because I'm making sure you're not going to be around to hurl your brand of feedback at more unsuspecting members. I will at least make sure they couldn't possibly take you seriously.
| quote: | Originally posted by WhatsTheStory
Lol I didn't come to this thread looking to abuse you but the fact that you felt the need to defend your track instead of saying thanks for me wasting my time and giving pointers that would make the track better made me think maybe I should mess with this little bitch alittle lol. I guess you can give but cant get it back. You did the same thing the last time you posted a track when looney gave you feedback that would have helped the track. Don't cry too much now |
Posterity edit. |
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| WhatsTheStory |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
No. You weren't helpful. You were condescending. You want people to think you're being helpful - that's what your animosity is disguised as - but really, you're just being abusive and you know you're being abusive.
I'm not ever going to answer your questions. You're clearly not interested in having the conversations I'm interested in having. Having a discussion of that nature requires trust and, honestly, by your first post, you'd already dispensed with that. The only reason you and I are having this conversation is because I'm making sure you're not going to be around to hurl your brand of feedback at more unsuspecting members. I will at least make sure they couldn't possibly take you seriously. |
You really are pathetic, Go read my first post. I was more helpful than condescending. I gave more helpful points then not considering it doesn't change at all in 11 minutes. Fact of the matter is the track is a waste of time to listen to. You want ppl to feel bad for you by saying i'm being abusive. I guess this is what you do to ppl trying to help you if you don't like the tone of wording. As I said in my last post looney even offered to mix your last track and you just kept goin on and on about how he was trying to attack you.
Lol you wont answer the question because it must be that long without any advancement in your lack of talent. Lol my brand of feedback? I'm giving you a taste of your own medicine which I didnt initially come into this thread looking to do.Is that why you are giving feedback to a bunch of different ppl so you can try to get more ppl to feel bad for you.
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Funny that you are saying that I was confrontational from my first post but fact of the matter is. My latter posts where I had said that ppl who have been producing a few months and have better tracks and how your track wouldn't have been acceptable 20 years ago I had actually put in that first post but edited it out. If i was really looking to abuse you from the get go do you think I would have really removed those statements. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by WhatsTheStory
You really are pathetic, Go read my first post. I was more helpful than condescending. I gave more helpful points then not considering it doesn't change at all in 11 minutes. Fact of the matter is the track is a waste of time to listen to. You want ppl to feel bad for you by saying i'm being abusive. I guess this is what you do to ppl trying to help you if you don't like the tone of wording. As I said in my last post looney even offered to mix your last track and you just kept goin on and on about how he was trying to attack you.
Lol you wont answer the question because it must be that long without any advancement in your lack of talent. Lol my brand of feedback? I'm giving you a taste of your own medicine which I didnt initially come into this thread looking to do.Is that why you are giving feedback to a bunch of different ppl so you can try to get more ppl to feel bad for you. |
I'll let you in on a little secret (that isn't so little and definitely no secret): my production decisions have always been something of a pathetic, running joke around here and I've felt badly about it for quite some time. EDIT: And the irony that I've been a complete to some people isn't lost on me considering my glaring incompetence. Go back, since just before you started posting, and you'll find me making the same self-effacing remarks. And when, precisely, was the last time you saw me really dish it out to someone, whether or not they deserved it?
| quote: | Originally posted by WhatsTheStory
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Funny that you are saying that I was confrontational from my first post but fact of the matter is. My latter posts where I had said that ppl who have been producing a few months and have better tracks and how your track wouldn't have been acceptable 20 years ago I had actually put in that first post but edited it out. If i was really looking to abuse you from the get go do you think I would have really removed those statements. |
I think you edited it out because you thought it would have given you away, 'enry 'iggins. It didn't matter.
EDIT: And, I think I just figured out who you are. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Thanks, man. I was hoping someone would pick up on a somewhat deliberate lack of compression. I really tried to keep it as dynamic as possible.
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Do you understand that compression can do more than restrict dynamics, it can also add them? |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
Do you understand that compression can do more than restrict dynamics, it can also add them? |
To a degree, yes, but maybe I'm missing your point, here. I think compression can add dynamics to a flat sounding mix but my point was that, while I did use compression, I was trying to be a lot more tempered with it than with the last song I posted. Maybe there's some nuance I'm not picking up on that I'd do well to understand. If you can fill in any gaping holes, I'd be very much obliged. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
To a degree, yes, but maybe I'm missing your point, here. I think compression can add dynamics to a flat sounding mix but my point was that, while I did use compression, I was trying to be a lot more tempered with it than with the last song I posted. Maybe there's some nuance I'm not picking up on that I'd do well to understand. If you can fill in any gaping holes, I'd be very much obliged. |
Compression can do a lot of things like:
Add groove
add dynamics/subtract dynamics
shape transients
glue together a bus or master bus
add color
reshape a timbre
add bounce to a hit |
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