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| Evolve140 |
Sorry bud, but I listened to Sirens Call and it's very smashed and over compressed and sounds quite bad.
A breath of fresh air has some nice melodic elements and good chord progression, but is still pretty smashed and has only a decent production value. Keep working hard, seems like better production results may just be around the corner for you. The melody is pretty spot on though. |
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| Notion of Self |
Could you be more specific as to what you are hearing? I am most likely too close to the songs after all this time.
And could I ask you to play Forlorn and Powerplay to compare the sound because I've been at those songs much more recently and I believe they have the clarity of sound etc. you would want to hear as I've also selected those 2 (along with A Breath of fresh air) to be sent to labels. |
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| EddieZilker |
Even if you listen to Evolve's music, you still might miss some of the issues he's bringing light to, simply because there's a distinct difference between your production decisions - their artistic intent and overall aesthetic - and his. That said, I don't think he's entirely off base.
If you're looking to hear specifics on what he's talking about, I'd start by listening to the clips in his thread. In the various iterations of his track, you can hear how the instruments scale in relation to one another, mix-wise. In general, he demonstrates a focus on clarity and depth that's difficult for a lot of producers (like myself) to achieve. Those are a couple of things missing from yours.
On "The Siren's Call", for instance, your lead is so prominent that it crowds out a lot of other things going on, behind it. There is bass, in the 60-300 Hz range that seems way too apparent on the decay of its higher frequencies. The overall volume, not taking the low-end into consideration, seems to be twice as loud (3 dB higher) than it really needs to be. If you have that track compressed, it's keeping the sound in longer, at a higher volume, than is necessary to achieve the affect I think you're trying to achieve.
"Powerplay" - the mix is just really, really loud - to the point where you're losing a lot of dynamics in the over-all sound-scape. I already had the volume turned down on the sound-cloud player, and it was still so loud, I had to turn it down, even further and then turn down my volume on the computer I was using. It sounds like you compressed the master. My suggestion to you is that you find a couple of similar songs to reference, while you're mixing. Take off any master channel compression you have. Then, revise your mix (or simply do this on your next track). |
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| Notion of Self |
wow nice big reply man, thanks a lot, I'll look into it.
I do master loudly indeed, there are two reasons for it...
Since all that crap with the loudness wars I have decided to just make it loud, keep the dynamics between sounds as I feel them and just let the listener decide how loud he wants the in his face effect that I was looking for... does make for the why... I could try and mix the songs 3db lower but that does indeed require me to completely remix them.
As for mastering compressors, yes I do use them but I don't let them do +8db or whatnot usually only +1.5 and never over +4 (default setting)
Keep your thoughts coming, its not going to be in vain :-) |
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| Deillon |
| quote: | Originally posted by Notion of Self
I could try and mix the songs 3db lower but that does indeed require me to completely remix them. |
You could try? Unless you want labels to take this seriously (not the ty labels that will release just anything) you seriously need to revamp and look into your mixing skills because I can't enjoy listening to your tracks because everything sounds so compressed. |
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| Falken_za |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
"Powerplay" - the mix is just really, really loud - to the point where you're losing a lot of dynamics in the over-all sound-scape. I already had the volume turned down on the sound-cloud player, and it was still so loud, I had to turn it down, even further and then turn down my volume on the computer I was using. It sounds like you compressed the master. My suggestion to you is that you find a couple of similar songs to reference, while you're mixing. Take off any master channel compression you have. Then, revise your mix (or simply do this on your next track). |
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| Notion of Self |
I've just finished uploading versions of all songs to soundcloud where the mixes have another ± -3 db on the rms / body of the volume as suggested earlier.
You can use the same soundcloud links I've posted above to listen to the adjusted version, pls keep telling me your thoughts :-) |
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| Deillon |
| Sounds the same to me. |
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| Notion of Self |
| quote: | Originally posted by Deillon
Sounds the same to me. |
I don't want to sound too defensive of my own tracks/work but I'm sorry mate if you can't hear it then maybe you need to compare them to hear it as the main volume has not been changed the RMS levels have.
Try to compare one of my youtube videos to the corresponding new soundcloud upload to hear the difference more easily than from memory.
And I don't know if you used youtube to listen to the track because I can't update youtube video's :( (so that is still the previous mix) |
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| EddieZilker |
| Rather than asking people to jump through links to reference every track, it might be helpful to post first mixes and revised mixes, you feel best represent what you've accomplished (not more than two or three). Might also be helpful to give feedback to other people. |
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| Notion of Self |
True, but for me to give advice to people when I am still receiving it to make my tracks sound better is a bit weird to me so I'd rather wait till I got everything sorted :-)
Will change the primary post information as you suggest :) |
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