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Just another day in the Middle East (pg. 6)
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| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Ah yes, brute violence was what defeated Hitler, because it works every time. Get rid of all the history books, guys - violence is all that we learn from, you know? |
pshh fine, HIROSHIMA then?
Look,i'm not saying that violence is the answer between civilized people.
i'm saying that in order to beat a barbaric you need to counter his level of violence.
And no im not justifying HIROSHIMA so dont be a cvnt about it.;) |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | While both sex and terrorism have been with us for some time, the former finding its roots in the dawn of mankind and the latter tracing its inception to the birth of modern democracy and the French Revolution, of the two only terrorism has begun to be systematically explored as a means of enacting political change by frustrated minorities. This is not to say that the influence of human procreation or the effect of changing ethnic densities on the world political climate may be discounted, rather, no organizational procedure has ever been put forth, much less succesfully put into practice, that involves a calculated numerical increase in a specific population or populations with the intent to overwhelm the poltical opposition. This brand of societal conquest has indeed occurred in the past, although unplanned. Most notably, the case of Indian-American marginalization at the hands of American expansionism demonstrates how a successful sex-war should operate.
Using this model as basis for defining a program of sex-war that will yield desirable political results we may make a few assumptions. Firstly, a safe zone where the sex act may take place, where children may full gestate and then be succesfully birthed must be well established. Without this staging ground, no further progress may be made in consistently extended upon reaching a significant density of population. This has been a major stumbling block for Israel and it has even begun to import Jewish converts to populate outlying settlements. An operation of this sort must be undertaken in steps with rather clearly defined goals in the form of agreed upon areas of inhabitation. Thirdly, cohabitation must be extremely limited and not at all encouraged or the alternate option of completely assimilatidg the previous culture must exist. An invading demographic unit must not lose sight of its primary goal, that being the displacement or destruction of the pre-existing social group, in its attempts to coexist. Setting sufficient parameters to measure the success of such campaigns will depend largely on the territory under dispute, but at all times primary focus should be the achievement of a population majority.
Rarely, if ever, have terrorist groups actually achieved their defined poltical objectives. Without delving too deeply into this broad field of study, we may surmise that their failure in this respect is due to a few primary factors. Terrorism is generally a tactic eomplyed by social minorities and even amongst these minorities, it enjoys only minority support. Terrorism also depends on third parties for the dissemination of its ideas. Without sufficient media attention, terrorist activities are unable to reach the wide audiences required for the enactment of significant political change. This dependence is a major weakness of terrorism that leaves the interpretation of terrorist actions up to third party scrutiny, which may not be favorable as it can at once lead to enormous and unbearable retaliation by state entities and also may so repulse the general populace from the terrorist cause that the cause itself becomes unattainable.
Effectively, "propaganda by deed" is unsophisticated and unreliable. In all of modern history, the only semi-successful terrorist initiative has been the dual pronged apprach of the IRA. Using both a terrorist and a political wing, they are likely to achieve their goal of uniting the Irish mainland but in the end this will not be accomplished by force or through clever political maneuvering. Instead, the competition between Protestant and Catholic birth rates will decide the outcome. At this point, it seems predetermined that Catholics will soon hold a population majority in Northern Ireland. Subsequently they will make use of heir right to self-determination to unite themselves with the Republic of Ireland. Unless Protestants begin birthing children and raising them to voting age more successfully than their Catholic neighbors, the Unionists will lose.
Terrorist campaigns by minority groups are relatively pointless and could even be viewed as a misdirection of energy. Political power is purely a numbers game. Instead of focusing on inflicting injury to their opponents, terrorist groups would do well to re-channel their efforts into prgorams that promote childbirth. While the current efforts of minority political organizations must not be overlooked, for no matter their methods they may be highly effective as long as they win over ample support from existing political majorities, the most effective way of shifting the balance of political power is through the promotion of rapid and sustainable population growth. At times this may prove infeasible due to unfavorable economic conditions or any number of opposing factors but it is currently being demonstrated globally that outnumbering the competition is the surest way to enact desired political change.
Go make a baby. |
http://www.secretsituation.com/valentine/1.htm |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Ah yes, brute violence was what defeated Hitler, because it works every time. Get rid of all the history books, guys - violence is all that we learn from, you know? |
What about the death star huh? Reckon you and your cronies could’ve blown it up with a camp fire and some songs? |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
THE FORCE IS NOT-
IT'S JUST-
LOOK, JEDIS DON'T USE VIO-
HRRRR :mad: :mad: |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
a camp fire and some songs? |
And yes, pretty sure this happened:
And there was a song at the end. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
And there was a song at the end. |
Yeah, where they used storm trooper helmets as xylophones :) |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| Exactly. Xylophones and BBQ took down the empire; I'm so glad you can recognize it! |
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| Znack |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
No, the onus is very much on you to provide every example of everything that has ever happened. |
I have to give examples of everything that has ever happened? You're funny :)
Wouldn't it be easier to falsify it by giving a counterexample?
But there are plenty of examples. I have already cited Kosovo and Palestine, but it applies generally that there must be violence before a nation gets its own country or become autonomous. Do you think Namibia would be an independent country today if there hadn't been a guerrilla movement? Or South Sudan? East Timor?
| quote: | | You say some true things, but then you always cannibalize them to support some absolutist platitude. |
I said violence works. If that's trivial, why are you protesting?
There are also other methods that work, but it is irrelevant in this context.
The point is, violence can't be ignored. Matters that otherwise would be forgotten come into the limelight. The downside is, it can backfire and crush the movement it was meant to help, as can be seen from numerous failed rebellions, for example. Tamils in Sri Lanka.
An example you could have come with, would be the Karen people in Burma who have gained absolutely nothing by their rebellion, not even getting into the limelight. Their problem has been that they are fighting against a regime which does not have a spark of legitimacy and therefore has no reason to worry about human rights and such. |
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| EddieZilker |
Ah, yes - the Radio Rwanda of the United States!
Stay classy, my friend! |
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| itsamemario |
| I'd like to hear znacks opinion on the last few days in Libya. |
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| Znack |
| quote: | Originally posted by itsamemario
I'd like to hear znacks opinion on the last few days in Libya. |
Are you referring to Anshar al-Sharia being kicked out of Benghazi? That sounds perfectly fine. A two-hour long firefight with rocket launchers and machine guns doesn't exactly show that violence is ineffective. It's also indicated that the demonstrations against the brigade were not entirely spontaneous, but controlled by the government and also supported by the police and military.
But I think it's perfectly fine to use the tragic event of the murdering of Americans to throw fanatics out and getting the government more control over the country. |
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