Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
just picked up a dsi evolver. Highly recommend this one. Cheap and the feedback distortion sounds great. This is the sort of stuff software still doesn't really do well. More so than the tetra which i found quirky but just kinda of blaze. The evolver is totally rock and roll tho.
Would it be able to make these sorts of tones?
I'm after a replacment for my Leipzig as it doesn't have enough sonic possibility. Somthing for about $650.
I realise this example has fx applied.
Looney4Clooney
Your leipzig can do that.
Nothing you get will make you happy as it is pretty obvious the issue is not the tool. or get something with lots of presets and go the avicii route.
i've found that most synths all sound the same. The trick in getting a synth to sound different is to use FX and one great way which for some reason few people take advantage of is using the inputs of certain synths to route another synth that might sound plain giving it a new character. IT is essentially the concept of resampling but in real time. This is how all those new sounds you hear in dubstep are made. Just taking old material, and ing with it.
The problem isn't your tools. It is just your level of experimentation and your delusion that a hardware synth will unlock some layer of super secret sounds only hardware can provide.
Or start buying guitar pedals. They are so cheap and will change the sound more than buying another synth.
wayfinder
Everything interesting happens on an edge, and the trick with sound design lies in finding where those edges are in your synth.
Looney4Clooney
disagree. There isn't really a trick. Most people just don't even understand the basics. It is very similar to guitar players that memorize shapes instead of understanding what is actually being played. They can do what they have already done but to do something new, they have to start all over. Similar with most EDM guys, they just move things randomly till they get something they like, but then they have to restart because there was no actual knowledge gained. Only a memory of where knobs were placed on a certain synth. Same can be said about theory. not discounting happy accidents but you can only do so much with a framework that is rather limited. And just like no theory will be fine for EDM, a bad grasp on synthesis is usually fine for trance. And that is your prerogative.
I see Richard's struggle much like people that ask, how do I sound like John Williams. Take 5 years and study something properly instead of ing around. There is a methodology in learning and as great as experimenting is, you still need to build a foundation that gives those experiments some form of framework.
wayfinder
maybe i should have used another word, but that's semantics.
what I meant was, interesting and even just kind of novel sounds don't happen in places where moving a knob around doesn't change the sound substantially.
this is not a claim about experimentation vs knowledge, it doesn't matter how you get to the point where things get interesting.
tehlord
I think the point is that a journey to a destination needs to be repeatable. Not just 'look what a cool ing noise I made' but 'look, this is how I made this cool ing noise'
In the case of Rich and the synth, I say buy a little rack of modules from Doepfer, modules that you don't already have obviously. Start cabling together.
Richard Butler
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Originally posted by tehlord
I think the point is that a journey to a destination needs to be repeatable. Not just 'look what a cool ing noise I made' but 'look, this is how I made this cool ing noise'
In the case of Rich and the synth, I say buy a little rack of modules from Doepfer, modules that you don't already have obviously. Start cabling together.
Yeah I've had many synths and learned most of em backwards apart from the yamaha an1x which I must admit was a bitch to fathom. I think my curiosity for essoteric sounds could be temporarily satisfied with some cabling together if within budget.
I did have quite a hardware collection until I bought a house and threw myself into doing it up (I sold the synths so as not to be distracted for a while).
The Liepzig is pretty basic and does not have enough interest.
If I sell my Fanmtom and Liepzig I will probably just get one hardware synth, a poly evolver was my original instinct but seeing as I saw this thread and a few youtube vids on analogue racking I thought I'd ask around.
What modules does deadmau use, any one know? Sure I watch the vid before someone points out the obvious, but if someone happens to know that would be just fine. They look expensive.
tehlord
I don't really know what he uses, but from the look of a few pictures I've glanced at over the years it looks like a lot of them. I don't think they're essential to what you want to do though tbh.
I think that Boomstar SEM module might be a good start.
meriter
honestly you're probably better off learning like Absynth inside and out
Looney4Clooney
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Originally posted by Richard Butler
Yeah I've had many synths and learned most of em backwards apart from the yamaha an1x which I must admit was a bitch to fathom. I think my curiosity for essoteric sounds could be temporarily satisfied with some cabling together if within budget.
I did have quite a hardware collection until I bought a house and threw myself into doing it up (I sold the synths so as not to be distracted for a while).
The Liepzig is pretty basic and does not have enough interest.
If I sell my Fanmtom and Liepzig I will probably just get one hardware synth, a poly evolver was my original instinct but seeing as I saw this thread and a few youtube vids on analogue racking I thought I'd ask around.
What modules does deadmau use, any one know? Sure I watch the vid before someone points out the obvious, but if someone happens to know that would be just fine. They look expensive.
if you want esoteric sounds, accept that it really doesn't matter what source you use and it is all about what you apply it to. For example, guitars range from 300 to 10 000 and if you are using a DI, the difference just isn't noticeable in terms of sound. You either have a strong signal or you don't. Some pickups differ but that is such a small component in terms of the price. The actual sound comes from what you do with it.
A synth is half of the equation. And you have no idea how much of a pain in the ass those modular synths are. They look cool, but in terms of practicality, a ing nightmare.
I would start listening to dubstep and dnb producers as they are way more ahead pf the curve in terms of sound design. Trance producers haven't changed their sound palette in about a a decade.
An analogue synth will never sound that different. But what you have is a good source.
Anyways, i think at some point, you need to just realize that the tools you have are probably good enough. You are just going thru a phase were you think having something will make things better. It won't.
Looney4Clooney
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Originally posted by meriter
honestly you're probably better off learning like Absynth inside and out
I love using absynth as an input for other synths. Stole it off some dnb guy a few years ago.
tehlord
I think modular stuff is at it's best when bought sparingly and used like additional plugins.
