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"Remastering" aka gimmick for "clipping"
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| chadi |
| Anyone else sick of downloading some track from beatport that says "remastered" only to find out it really just means the song has been clipped in order to "sound louder", sacrificing quality. I love how tracks on CDs from the 90s aren't usually "clipped" like songs are today. |
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| EddieZilker |
What do you mean, "clipped?"
Clipping commonly refers to a volume level which exceeds the dynamic range available in digital recordings that produces an audible and often unpleasant popping noise. |
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| pointPi |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
What do you mean, "clipped?"
Clipping commonly refers to a volume level which exceeds the dynamic range available in digital recordings that produces an audible and often unpleasant popping noise. |
I agree. There is a difference between what Eddie said, and reducing the dynamic range by heavy compression and "fattening". Clipping only occurs in bad remastering.
Personally, I often find the "pure", unmastered sounds to be hollow, dry and empty. But that sound can alternatively be taken care of with several occasions of resampling, subtle pitch shifting, and subtle effect processing. A similar technique have been used both to make Danish breads brittler and samurai swords stronger; fold and flatten. |
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| GPC |
There are way too many examples out there of intentional compression and clipping in modern (re)mastering. This isn't clipping like going over 0db. Its a tool used along side compression by mastering houses to make music even louder. Not so much in EDM because dynamic are mandatory and listening to a compressed/clipped music at high levels will tear your ears up. You can see clipping music when you look at the waveform. The peaks are cutoff square. Look up loudness wars. There are tons of analysis on music. Its why website like http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/ exist. I personally almost never buy remasters. The original release is almost always the best.
And yes, it is bad mastering and sounds like . |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| a signal will clip if it approaches 0. Has to do with the mp3 protocol and the way the DA is done. the LP filter in the DA process plays a part as well. I've heard some awful mixes on beatport so it isn't like there has ever been standards there. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| Shoddy remasters are still better than what I get when I buy a lot of old tracks from reputable online sources, which is straight up vinyl rips complete with surface noise, and often with minor drifts in pitch due to ty turntables. |
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| Chimney |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Shoddy remasters are still better than what I get when I buy a lot of old tracks from reputable online sources, which is straight up vinyl rips complete with surface noise, and often with minor drifts in pitch due to ty turntables. |
True that. Vinyl rips are extremely difficult to make. I've only met one person who could do it properly. |
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| Woony |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Shoddy remasters are still better than what I get when I buy a lot of old tracks from reputable online sources, which is straight up vinyl rips complete with surface noise, and often with minor drifts in pitch due to ty turntables. |
This is a thing with re-issues and re-releases in general. I bet The actual master tapes are still intact in the rarest of cases.
Mike Paradinas said that he sourced one of the tracks for a footwork album from youtube... they cut a youtube rip to vinyl :stongue: |
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| chadi |
I'm not an expert with this and my not be as familiar with all the terminology but when I say "clipping" I'm referring to the instance of cranking up the inherent volume in a track and subsequently noticing that the sound ranges are cut off...so basically replacing all of the organic sounds with just noise. So in a track where the song hasn't been clipped you can just turn up the volume if you want it louder but all of the ranges seem to remain in tact.
Does anyone know what I'm referring to? |
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| chadi |
| quote: | Originally posted by GPC
There are way too many examples out there of intentional compression and clipping in modern (re)mastering. This isn't clipping like going over 0db. Its a tool used along side compression by mastering houses to make music even louder. Not so much in EDM because dynamic are mandatory and listening to a compressed/clipped music at high levels will tear your ears up. You can see clipping music when you look at the waveform. The peaks are cutoff square. Look up loudness wars. There are tons of analysis on music. Its why website like http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/ exist. I personally almost never buy remasters. The original release is almost always the best.
And yes, it is bad mastering and sounds like . |
That's what I'm referring to, where you see that the peaks are cut off and square. |
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| meriter |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Shoddy remasters are still better than what I get when I buy a lot of old tracks from reputable online sources, which is straight up vinyl rips complete with surface noise, and often with minor drifts in pitch due to ty turntables. |
most likely just how the vinyl was cut or from the record warping... I don't think even the tiest belt-driven turntables wobble much. Every time I've noticed pitch drifting while trying to mix It's been the record, meaning the effects are repeatable and you get to know where to make adjustments. Most people I've asked about it said they play with warped records all the time |
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