They're the same as they always were, except 4% louder and 18% more envelope shaped.
Richard Butler
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Originally posted by tehlord
They're the same as they always were, except 4% louder and 18% more envelope shaped.
Gawd that is soo formulaec even down to the static never changing clap. Surely trance has evolved from this by now?
tehlord
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Originally posted by Richard Butler
Gawd that is soo formulaec even down to the static never changing clap. Surely trance has evolved from this by now?
It has moved on, the same as it moved on from Psytrance. Those older sounds still exist though as people still dig it.
The new trance is all farty basslines and a bit slower.
I do not approve.
Rodri Santos
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Originally posted by tehlord
It has moved on, the same as it moved on from Psytrance. Those older sounds still exist though as people still dig it.
The new trance is all farty basslines and a bit slower.
I do not approve.
There is some good trance still but right now it's either incredibly cheese (More than eurodance) or farty. What is worse is that with the exception of a handful labels they won't sign a track that looks like an old track.
The group of people that still like this old sounding trance is just purists and are often divided into those who like uplifting trance and more progressive/Deep sounds i actually enjoy both but probably more the latest.
What is incredibly popular and i liked it (but now it feels so uninspirational again) is tech trance with tube leads like Jochen Miller - Lost Connection for example. A lot of producers have moved to this.
DJ Robby Rox
Whatever you do never make the mistake of thinking "busy" = "learning".
It doesn't. I spent about 10 years staying busy with my music but didn't learn much of anything. Because I failed to stretch my boundaries of learning and consistently stay on top of what other producers were doing.
People can shout out rules, like 4 years... but for a bassline? I think you can get some great results in less than 1 year. If you're persistently taking in new information and applying it. Don't spend all your time watching tuts and don't spend all your time making music either. There's a balance you need to reach.
Here's a tip. You can make a killer groovy bassline, but in trance, most basslines aren't that groovy. What is groovy, are the sounds around the basslines. Stabs, percussions, hats, etc. You can also automate FM sounds around the bassline like Tyas does, to add groove to what would otherwise sound static.
They key is to experiment, and it really shouldn't take that long to learn. However, I'm just talking about basslines. Not leads, melodies, drums, fx, etc.
radikkwx
Well put. I feel the same way and i try to evenly distribute how much time i spend trying to learn all the different facets of production and actually producing. i think i spend a little bit to much time trying to learn but. ill figure it out lol.
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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
Whatever you do never make the mistake of thinking "busy" = "learning".
It doesn't. I spent about 10 years staying busy with my music but didn't learn much of anything. Because I failed to stretch my boundaries of learning and consistently stay on top of what other producers were doing.
People can shout out rules, like 4 years... but for a bassline? I think you can get some great results in less than 1 year. If you're persistently taking in new information and applying it. Don't spend all your time watching tuts and don't spend all your time making music either. There's a balance you need to reach.
Here's a tip. You can make a killer groovy bassline, but in trance, most basslines aren't that groovy. What is groovy, are the sounds around the basslines. Stabs, percussions, hats, etc. You can also automate FM sounds around the bassline like Tyas does, to add groove to what would otherwise sound static.
They key is to experiment, and it really shouldn't take that long to learn. However, I'm just talking about basslines. Not leads, melodies, drums, fx, etc.
MSZ
Mate! Trust me, Im in this ketamine / rolling bassline phase right now. You have to use 5 different layers for the Mid-bass alone! Detune slightly and pan for super-width. It may take you hours to really see what im talking about, stick with it(Jesus didnt lay bricks for the Eiffel tower one at a time you know)! Trust me only noobs use Nexus bro.
radikkwx
i very rarely use nexus. mostly sylenth1 and massive. im working on a track right now and i seem to feel like i have a nice roller goin. is there away i can link it with this thread in the music promotion section so everyone here that gave advice can have a listen?
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Originally posted by MSZ
Mate! Trust me, Im in this ketamine / rolling bassline phase right now. You have to use 5 different layers for the Mid-bass alone! Detune slightly and pan for super-width. It may take you hours to really see what im talking about, stick with it(Jesus didnt lay bricks for the Eiffel tower one at a time you know)! Trust me only noobs use Nexus bro.
MSZ
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Originally posted by radikkwx
i very rarely use nexus. mostly sylenth1 and massive. im working on a track right now and i seem to feel like i have a nice roller goin. is there away i can link it with this thread in the music promotion section so everyone here that gave advice can have a listen?
Just post your mate, there are some good people here that will try to help you.
QPS
Buy a TB303 :eyespop:
Lith
Yeah, there are three bass lines going on in a lot of tracks, but it doesn't have to be that difficult. The "rolling" sound comes from multiple notes played fast or delay FX. Easiest way to do it might be an arpeggiator. Seems like all synths have that triple-note hit version, so you probably can do it already. Probably what's more important is distinguishing each note, so you need to alter the filter or amp envelope to make the sound change/move (attack and decay should be enough).
Hit notes on 16ths. Rapid...///
But, like Richard posted, it's kind of a stale sound. Sure, it's good to learn how to do it, but probably better that you don't. The less you know about conventional rolling-bass creation, more likely you'll create something better. Or, maybe you learn it, and understand how to avoid it? Whatever works for your song, do it.
Raphie
Would challenge you to use as less bass notes as possible, the minimum to get into the groove and engage drive. The Nexus arp bassline @ 132 < 140bpm are indeed very very stale
