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Suggestion for Great 24bit drum sample packs (pg. 2)
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| Raphie |
| What's wrong with 16bit samples? Any idea how wordlenght and bitdepth work in a DAW, what is it that you expect to gain? |
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| Andy28 |
duh it makes you sound more pro :rolleyes:
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| Viking Pillager |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
What's wrong with 16bit samples? Any idea how wordlenght and bitdepth work in a DAW, what is it that you expect to gain? |
TBH no clue, I was watching a vid by vespers on bit depths etc. and he mentioned looking into them and I figured I would make an ambiguous post on here and see what people returned, in regards to 24bit samples of equivalent caliber as that of the vengeance series. But I am a bit skeptical like you bro.
| quote: | | [i] Originally posted by Teezdalien [i/] Wave Alchemy. |
Any packs in particular you like/recommend looking at? |
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| zodiac9 |
| Anyone remember "Roger Drums" that were posted on this forum years ago? They are 24 bit drum samples, a thousand of them. I still use them. There was another pack posted here called "some kicks" that I still use. Guess I should upload both and post them here, unless someone else wants to do it. |
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| Teezdalien |
| quote: | Originally posted by Viking Pillager
Any packs in particular you like/recommend looking at? |
Well they do have a lot on offer, I think they have some 808/909 based packs you can get free. I'd recommend you go through some of the demos of other packs in the genres you are looking for. I like the deep tech & progressive house and their SFX packs, some really good sounds in those and they process them well with high end outboard that I can't do myself.
As for the bit depth questions, I believe it's more of an issue at the recording stage. From what I understand, you get a lot more headroom from recording in 24 bit.
I don't think it matters so much if you use 16 or 24 bit in the context of a mix where you're going to export them again anyway. I'd say a lot of 16 bit samples have already been dithered down from higher bit depths, though I could be wrong. |
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| Viking Pillager |
| quote: | Originally posted by Teezdalien
Wave Alchemy. |
Great call bro - picked up the Groove and Tool Loops pack for 50$ - all 24bit - hey Raphie, if you want I will send you some of them a. they are sick b. they sure seem fatter overall and they definitely prefer to be stereo over mono in my NN19 sampler (running reason 6.5.1) in terms of pleasantry to the ear/fullness. Visually the files look no different but they sure seem a little bit denser. So I will be happy to pm/email you some to check out, plus they break down percussion into like five different layers its very elaborate.. equally elaborate as Vengeance, but perhaps more usefully labeled:
Accoustic Percussion
Additional Formats
Experimental Electronic
Fills
Groove Assist & layering
Top Loops
Tribal Percussion
Vocal Loops
at least 75 samples per group (some have like 2-300)
All modern progressive/electro/minimal/tech/trance stuff - 50$ strongly recommend.
Anyone who wants a lil sample pack send me ur email ill send a couple from each to try (they are in 126bpm for easy manipulation) |
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| Viking Pillager |
| quote: | Originally posted by zodiac9
Anyone remember "Roger Drums" that were posted on this forum years ago? They are 24 bit drum samples, a thousand of them. I still use them. There was another pack posted here called "some kicks" that I still use. Guess I should upload both and post them here, unless someone else wants to do it. |
Ill definitely take whatever you feel like uploading. If I wanted to make a small sample pack of these new wave alchemy samples i picked up, where would I go to do this so I can just post an easy download link for free on my part and yalls. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by Viking Pillager
TBH no clue, I was watching a vid by vespers on bit depths etc. and he mentioned looking into them and I figured I would make an ambiguous post on here and see what people returned, in regards to 24bit samples of equivalent caliber as that of the vengeance series. But I am a bit skeptical like you bro.
Any packs in particular you like/recommend looking at? |
i would take vespers advice with a grain of salt. |
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| Viking Pillager |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
i would take vespers advice with a grain of salt. |
Why do you say this - ill send you a samplepack of them to you if you want, you can see what I mean. They just seem to be more present without even touching them at all. Just let me know where a good place to upload |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| take tips from producers that are good producers. Vespers , Ill-gatees , they are a new generation of hacks that do these idiot meta tutorials that are about as instructive as any self help book. And most of your vengeance samples if not all were 16 bit at one point. I think you will be rather suprized that almost all the drum samples you are hearing originate from a a few sample cds made during the GS days. They just keep getting rehashed and edited which will yield an infinite amount but 24 bit doesn't really mean the entire chain was 24 bit. Especially with Vengeance who were notorious in their earlier CDs to rip off the ueberschall cd and actual tracks that used that same cd. And then they just edited those to make the rest. so ya. |
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| Viking Pillager |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
take tips from producers that are good producers. Vespers , Ill-gatees , they are a new generation of hacks that do these idiot meta tutorials that are about as instructive as any self help book. And most of your vengeance samples if not all were 16 bit at one point. I think you will be rather suprized that almost all the drum samples you are hearing originate from a a few sample cds made during the GS days. They just keep getting rehashed and edited which will yield an infinite amount but 24 bit doesn't really mean the entire chain was 24 bit. Especially with Vengeance who were notorious in their earlier CDs to rip off the ueberschall cd and actual tracks that used that same cd. And then they just edited those to make the rest. so ya. |
Yeah to the part bout Vengenace fasho - thats why I wanted to hear what real 24bit files were like comparatively. Wave Alchemy seems to be a reputable brand though and I am impressed with the originality of the sample pack (Groove and Tool Loops). I was comparing the Thomas Penton kicks to Vengeance and they are pretty similar although I found the Pentons were easily muffled in the mix during creation where levels arent being decided etc. just dicking around basically - they quickly evaporated in the mix with a couple synths playing. Vengeance still holds the candle to that. Didnt get any single shot drums from Alchemy in this pack though so cant really compare properly, but Im guessing they would come close if not same or better.
Could just be placebo but they sure sounded fuller/bigger with more "headroom" in the samples from Wave Alchemy than from Vengeance (granted my Vengeance samples are 5+ yrs old and probably pretty dirty comparative to new Vengeance material). I was long overdue on samples frankly, so something needed to be bought, it was just a matter of what and from whom. And so far, I am pretty impressed with the Wave Alchemy samps.
There's a lot of bs out there though, I take everything with a grain of salt, even the people on here. I firmly believe in the "it it works/sounds right - then it is right" philosophy" ... just working on getting the work/sounds right part in order ;) |
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