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Stupid question about DnB
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| Rodri Santos |
I haven't had a shot to dnb yet nor i ever made a set of it although i've been listening to it for years and right now i could say i am really into it. (It's becoming popular globally i believe)
Thing is that i've noticed now on beatport that all the tracks are 175 bpm or 87/88 bpm which is the half so i think it's simply that the programme has counted half of the beats.
Is 175 bpm a standard so dnb djs don't need to adjust the pitch?� |
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| clay |
| ive made a few attempts at it and i end up near 160 instead. dont know why. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| I find that it used to be alot faster. I remember how annoying it was in 2000 but things are much slower now. At least the stuff that is more mainstream. And dnb kinda peaked in like 2000 and again in 2005. That was when mainstream musicians starting doing it live and then when artists like noisia started doing things that did not suck. The fallout of its popularity after that had somewhat to do with the new dub step craze. |
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| meriter |
| I think a lot of the old dnb heavyweights moved on to making dubstep, very similar sounds and production techniques, it would almost be too easy |
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| Teezdalien |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
I find that it used to be alot faster. I remember how annoying it was in 2000 but things are much slower now. At least the stuff that is more mainstream. And dnb kinda peaked in like 2000 and again in 2005. That was when mainstream musicians starting doing it live and then when artists like noisia started doing things that did not suck. The fallout of its popularity after that had somewhat to do with the new dub step craze. |
Not really... I think your ears may be decieving you on this. A lot of oldskool DnB was a good 10-15 beats per minute lower than what the majority is today, of course there are always exceptions.
I think the styles (and there are quite a few) have evolved into a smoother flowing sound these days, not so cut up and jittery sounding, which I believe is the reason it may seem a bit slower now than it really is. |
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| Rodri Santos |
| well i think is time to learn to mix dnb and then make a dnb track. It has to be sooner than later i am now curious. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by Teezdalien
Not really... I think your ears may be decieving you on this. A lot of oldskool DnB was a good 10-15 beats per minute lower than what the majority is today, of course there are always exceptions.
I think the styles (and there are quite a few) have evolved into a smoother flowing sound these days, not so cut up and jittery sounding, which I believe is the reason it may seem a bit slower now than it really is. |
i wasn't talking about old school. Just like every other genre, the tempo peaked in the late 90s and lately everything has been going down . |
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| Teezdalien |
| well I agree with you with most other genres, but drum n bass hasn't got any slower. But I suppose a lot of the autonomic stuff is a fair bit slower if you consider that as drum n bass. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| it has. I don't know what to tell you. |
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| Richard Butler |
That D&B track I posted in promotion is 180bpm.
I have wanted to make D&B for years but never really dared but actually it was pretty enjoyable. Not saying I'm an expert of course!
Pay attention to the hats and ghost hiting snare patterns in each loop - they are vitally important as is the right kind of swing / groove. I took a few sessions to get this right.
If your'e interested I started by making from scratch about 7 drum loops, each more intense and busy than the last.
Then I for example had loop 2 playing and here and there mixed in loop 7 on the 7th / 8th bar.
Next I attended to the bass line - 8 individual layers in all so I can introduce more layers as it progresses.
Then all the frilly drum variations, fx, stutters and so on.
After that I did the melodic parts.
Not that I'm an expert but the track has gone down ok here n there so far. |
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| MSZ |
| Naw, hasnt really, Looney. I agree with Teez for the most part, there was always a range, I know some tracks that go like 160bpm from the late nineties, some of my favorite being around 170. At least Rodri knew this was a stupid question. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
yes , but on average, there was a swell, and it has come back down. Just like every prominent producer. Mostly in the 160-170 range. If you listen to weird ambient dnb that nobody buys or listens to but a few people with bad taste, then sure, you might be right.
at Richard,
the weakest part of your track is the drums. The problem is that unlike most genres, you need to hear and feel that as a drum set, not a collection of loops which is what you have. It just doesn't work.
This is the only dnb track i ever made. A diss track about 6 years old. Did it in 30 minutes without really mixing it but the drums unlike yours work. Granted i play drums so I suppose it is second nature for me. Apparently people that knew the guy would play it when he went to a club. Little slow but anyways. Oh and i freestyled those lyrics in one take.
dissin in the kitchin |
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