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Is or isn't abortion murder? (your thoughts) (pg. 2)
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| Desiderata |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Nacht
My opinion, and this is only my opinion, is that abortion is only bad when self awareness arises. Not sure when that happens, but I would imagine you should have a few months. |
That is probably one of the reasons there is a 25 week range but then again probably not. The 25 week range probably has more to do with the safety of the woman getting the abortion. |
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| srussell0018 |
| i think this is god's fault. |
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| Desiderata |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
i think this is god's fault. |
Na, he just likes a lot of tiny dead baby angels around him. |
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| Joz |
The only argument that abortion is murder falls on two general claims:
1. That a fetus is equal to a conscious human being. I have seen no evidence that supports this whatsoever. This typically gets broken down into First trimester, Second trimester, and Third trimester ratings, with the Third trimester being deemed "equally human" by the anti-choice crowd. Again, I've seen no evidence at all that supports this, and Third trimester abortions are extremely rare and their occurrence is more to do with complications that threaten the life of the mother. Her life takes precedent, always.
2. That because a fetus is a potential human being, it must be saved. This of course is totally irrelevant to whether or not the fetus is a conscious being and is deserving of the same care as a birthed one, instead, it rests on pseudo-ethics. But since there's no actual set-in-stone boundary as to where you define "potential for human life", you can logically extend that to a zygote, or even individual sperm and eggs. Do we make contraception illegal? Will masturbation be considered genocide? If a woman has her period and doesn't become impregnated at puberty, is she guilty of mass murder?
Think I'm being ridiculous? We're having open political discussions about whether or not a girl who is sexually violated against her will should be forced, against her will, to carry out a pregnancy. I couldn't come up with a more unfathomably abhorrent point of view in my worst mood. And yet, somehow, someone was able to top that:http://www.theatlanticwire.com/nati...-rights/56118/# |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| masturbation is genocide, |
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| OrangestO |
Yes.
Then again humanity has manifested itself into an ugly enough society where dads are raping daughters, men are molesting girls and people are partaking in an activity without taking the proper measures to avoid the consequences of their idiotic actions.
Abortion is necessary to unnaturally solve problems that shouldn't naturally exist. |
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| Joz |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
i think this is god's fault. |
I'll also go ahead and say that if abortion is murder, then the good lord could make any 20th century Dictator blush:http://www.emcom.ca/health/abortion.shtml |
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| Desiderata |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joz
The only argument that abortion is murder falls on two general claims:
1. That a fetus is equal to a conscious human being. I have seen no evidence that supports this whatsoever. This typically gets broken down into First trimester, Second trimester, and Third trimester ratings, with the Third trimester being deemed "equally human" by the anti-choice crowd. Again, I've seen no evidence at all that supports this, and Third trimester abortions are extremely rare and their occurrence is more to do with complications that threaten the life of the mother. Her life takes precedent, always.
2. That because a fetus is a potential human being, it must be saved. This of course is totally irrelevant to whether or not the fetus is a conscious being and is deserving of the same care as a birthed one, instead, it rests on pseudo-ethics. But since there's no actual set-in-stone boundary as to where you define "potential for human life", you can logically extend that to a zygote, or even individual sperm and eggs. Do we make contraception illegal? Will masturbation be considered genocide? If a woman has her period and doesn't become impregnated at puberty, is she guilty of mass murder?
Think I'm being ridiculous? We're having open political discussions about whether or not a girl who is sexually violated against her will should be forced, against her will, to carry out a pregnancy. I couldn't come up with a more unfathomably abhorrent point of view in my worst mood. And yet, somehow, someone was able to top that:http://www.theatlanticwire.com/nati...-rights/56118/# |
I support this. |
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| LoveHate |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
It's not murder until they're 18. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| depends....is the kid going to be black |
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