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The 10 best trance tracks, according to James Holden (pg. 3)
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| jvs |
| quote: | | Would hardly call the guy who brought us tracks like this talent less. |
Of course, if we limit ourselves to weather channel music then it's pretty good. But weather channel music stands far lower than modern trance music -- that is to say -- music that simulates relaxation stands far lower than music that stimulates feelings of power. In other words, even the shallowest feeling of power stands ABOVE the deepest feeling of relaxation. Get it? One scarcely needs to feel slightly less bored! This happens -- and in fact it's not a need -- if one is bored of all other music and is thus left with nothing but tracks of this kind. Then, of course, he will enjoy this sort of music. However, it's a grave mistake to conclude that this feeling is somehow better than the feeling of power.
In clubs where they play only few types of music -- few types of feelings -- one is often left with the need to include a bunch of boring tracks (a bunch of "hypnotic" i.e. relaxing tracks) in order to make the less boring ones feel much better than they would if they were everything he played. This is simply because 1) electronic dance music is shallow and 2) because in order for people to enjoy themselves they first need to be bored (this is Heraclitean law; consider that in order to orgasm you first have to refrain from sex for some time, or in order to enjoy eating you need to become hungry etc). |
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| EddieZilker |
| I long for the days when hipsters were scarce and Twilo Thunder reigned supreme. |
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| PivotTechno |
| quote: | Originally posted by Guest
Are there any club tracks in that list? Could James Holden have any sort of DJ career by playing music from his list?
I'm sorry he just sounds pretentious as . |
Talk about pot, meet kettle. |
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| djnitride |
Its interesting the way Holden talks about the "english progressive scene" basically calling the music he had to make for it "in a box". Compared to alot of other dance music the stuff from that era seems like it had a diverse amount flavor to it.
From Breeder - Tyrantanic (Slackers Kingdom Come Remix) to Tijuana - Groove is in the Air (Simon's Future Dreams Mix) it seems like there is a good diversity compared to say modern day Trance which basically just comes down to an exact formula with almost no room to differentiate yourself from the next guy.
Yes, prog does have a general structure/formula it follows but what really made it great was the combination of that with the number of producers doing different things with it. The tracks I have listened to set them apart from each other, its rare I listen to a Digweed set and hear something that just sounds like it has no individuality. Really I don't think its even so much about "prog" itself but the DJs who play it and the fans that listen to it generally speaking hold higher standards. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| No, the early '00s progressive sound was not very varied at all. |
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| Lunar Phase 7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Incidentally, the other half of Ogenki Clinic is a guy called Gwill Morris (who was also in Main Element, etc.) and he's also the resident at a classics night called Plasma Future in Manchester. He plays a lot of Holden and Silver Planet, so if you want to hear the twinkly Holden prog sound on a dancefloor, go see Gwill Morris instead. He's very good at what he does, too. |
What is the crowd like there?
Very local and I would not mind going to it, but if it's like a few of the last classic trance nights (either full of shirtless roid monkeys) or has 3 people in, if not sure it's worth the hangover. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7
What is the crowd like there?
Very local and I would not mind going to it, but if it's like a few of the last classic trance nights (either full of shirtless roid monkeys) or has 3 people in, if not sure it's worth the hangover. |
Good crowd, mostly veterans from Gatecrasher and Cream. No knuckle-heads and a good atmosphere.
Where do you live, anyway? |
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| enydo |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
No, the early '00s progressive sound was not very varied at all. |
This sums it up. I love the stuff, but it's all brooding basslines and ominous stabs. Has gotten very old for me, at least, over time. |
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| fredjan |
| quote: | Originally posted by djnitride
...it seems like there is a good diversity compared to say modern day Trance which basically just comes down to an exact formula with almost no room to differentiate yourself from the next guy.
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Like progressive psytrance?
I don't disagree, btw. |
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| djnitride |
| quote: | Originally posted by fredjan
Like progressive psytrance?
I don't disagree, btw. |
I can't really call myself an expert in either genre but I am more familiar with the late 90s/early 2000s prog sound. Most of the progressive psytrance I have listened to sounded the same, but I may have been looking in the wrong places. Most of what I found wasn't through established DJ's but digging through beatport.
Btw I don't really consider the "J00F" sound progressive psytrance |
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| fredjan |
| quote: | Originally posted by djnitride
Most of the progressive psytrance I have listened to sounded the same, but I may have been looking in the wrong places. Most of what I found wasn't through established DJ's but digging through beatport.
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Same here.
edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJjAPAcDb28
All the tracks have wicked atmospheres and slick production; however, they also sound similar to each other. |
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