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Should the US cut back on defense spending? (pg. 3)
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
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| OrangestO |
They say you should spend no more than a third of your salary to pay your rent/mortgage/etc.
So how much do you think it should cost to have an alarm, guard dog, or guns under the mattress to protect it? |
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| citric_acid |
we ship out over 100k replacement parts a month for the m16 alone. so they should design the guns so you dont have as many replacements and the budget would go down
the good thing about defense is 100% of it must be manufactured in the US including the metal used to make it. It employs a lot of people, we even have to be citizens to make the parts (at least 3 of our contracts call for that). It is one of the few industries that can not be outsourced |
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| OrangestO |
| quote: | Originally posted by citric_acid
the good thing about defense is 100% of it must be manufactured in the US including the metal used to make it. It employs a lot of people, we even have to be citizens to make the parts (at least 3 of our contracts call for that). It is one of the few industries that can not be outsourced |
Good reason to go to war, eh? Especially when the economy sucks.
BTW
AKs > M16s
If someone could explain why we're still using this POS weapon, I'd greatly not appreciate it. |
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| citric_acid |
| quote: | Originally posted by OrangestO
Good reason to go to war, eh? Especially when the economy sucks.
BTW
AKs > M16s
If someone could explain why we're still using this POS weapon, I'd greatly not appreciate it. |
im not saying anything about going to war. our profits dont increase when we go to war, we ship out more parts at no pay increase. The bidding to get a new contract sucks, half the time they expect you to make it for less then what materials would cost.
i agree that there are a lot of guns better then the m16 but the problem is the cost to manufacture. There is actually a competition (not really but in a way) right now going on looking for a gun that costs less then the m16 and is better, long story each manufacturer gets to submit one prototype and it must pass all the tests last 5 guns standing then goes through more tests to make sure it will hold up etc etc. So they are working on it but its not an easy feat. They thought they had one (manufactured by FN) but something went horribly wrong with it and it never got out of prototyping, one of the reasons was there was one part that companies would go bankrupt trying to manufacture. |
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| OrangestO |
| quote: | Originally posted by citric_acid
our profits dont increase when we go to war, we ship out more parts at no pay increase. |
Ya don't say, eh? |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by OrangestO
Good reason to go to war, eh? Especially when the economy sucks.
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not trying to be cheeky, but that's actually the best time to go to war. When the economy sucks. |
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| OrangestO |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
not trying to be cheeky, but that's actually the best time to go to war. When the economy sucks. |
No ... |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by OrangestO
Ya don't say, eh? |
Yeah, that's a little strange. More business = more profits, unless you lower your prices when business picks up (though, why would you do that?). Just because employees don't see a pay increase doesn't mean that a company isn't taking in more cash.
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
not trying to be cheeky, but that's actually the best time to go to war. When the economy sucks. |
WW2 was a ing lifesaver for the US in regards to helping us out of the Great Depression. |
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| citric_acid |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
Yeah, that's a little strange. More business = more profits, unless you lower your prices when business picks up (though, why would you do that?). Just because employees don't see a pay increase doesn't mean that a company isn't taking in more cash.
WW2 was a ing lifesaver for the US in regards to helping us out of the Great Depression. |
im not talking about employee pay increase. I dont even know what any of our employees get paid. I know our profits dont go up because ive been aware of company finances my entire life, the boring joy of it being a family business that we all own.
Contracts depict how much you get paid and they state in some of them that if we go to war and need more we can only charge x per month. Before we went to war last time they sent out a request asking for how many parts we can produce without going over our current pay. we were able to double it (and by contract had to, we can not say no when they ask for more parts which is why the shop is now open 20 hours a day)
With our govt contracts we dont deal with 3rd parties, we make the parts and ship directly to the military meaning the govt has 100% control of profits, there is no negotiating except when all companies make the initial bidding. if your bid is accepted that is the price you get paid for the next 5 years. So we dont really get to choose or make the decision to lower prices with higher demand |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| When was the last time the US was not actively engaged in a war, though? |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
not trying to be cheeky, but that's actually the best time to go to war. When the economy sucks. |
WWII is just one example that perhaps supported your theory in the circumstances USA participated but it is probably the exception. Afghanistan ain't doing for the economy. And when you consider the total cost of war, i wouldn't really think anyone would consider it an actual economic tool. |
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