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Increasing Stereo (pg. 2)
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| clay |
| reverb on master? :eyes: |
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| Rodri Santos |
| quote: | Originally posted by clay
reverb on master? :eyes: |
yes on the master stage, i have seen many pros doing this i am using the izotope ozone reverb probably a normal reverb doesn't work this way.
It has to be very subtle i use a lot less than what the electronica preset adds (1.7-2.5 depending on the track) |
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| Raphie |
I prefer focus over artificial space anytime
Verb on master is something Celne Dion could use, not really suitable for dance music, unless you want it to sound like produced in a fishbowl |
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| eyepad |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodri Santos
i am adding some reverb on the master channel to glue things and create this effect, |
Interesting. Could you post or link some examples of this method for widening the stereo field? |
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| Rodri Santos |
This could serve:
http://mworksmastering.blogspot.com...-mastering.html
(Video and text is the same) 3rd use is what we are talking here.
My advice would be to have a section at the start of your track without bass and see how the shape of the kick and percussion changes, you'd not want to be too noticeable and i've found that the kick since often has a longer tail than percs. |
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| Raphie |
As the video mentions too - mainly 3 application
- repair chopped off stuff
- blend room acoustics
- increase warmth (Celine Dion type music)
None of these really apply to EDM, softening and soothing is not what you generally want. |
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| TranceElevation |
What Clooney said, is the most logical route.
But to make it more interesting choose different samples for lower/higher clap. |
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| Rodri Santos |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
As the video mentions too - mainly 3 application
- repair chopped off stuff
- blend room acoustics
- increase warmth (Celine Dion type music)
None of these really apply to EDM, softening and soothing is not what you generally want. |
Why should not apply? He is not talking about celine dion music but rock/metal mostly, rock music is not that different, you have a very present bass and a softer kick (depending on the band when you see them live the kick bursts your chest) if you look to a metal waveform looks like a 140 bpm extracompressed track. Compare contrast a Bryan Kearney track for example with a Dragonforce track it's esentially the same... both sound hell overcrowded.
Here there is a small clip i've just done first without reverb and then with reverb + saturation.
Mastering reverb example by Rodrisantos on Mixcloud
As you can see the kick has like a deeper tail but check how the claps and hats sound more stereo?? (which is the OT) also check how the kick becomes more present along with the bassline.
This example has more reverb than should (3.0 instead of 1.7 which is what i normally use) but it's to show what it does.
Here is the tool, use it at your own risk |
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| Raphie |
Rodri, if it works for you it's fine
All I'm saying is that it comes at a cost
and as you are doing your own mastering, it makes no sense to do it on a stereo mixdown, just treating the elements that you feel would need it, would make more sense |
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| Rodri Santos |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
Rodri, if it works for you it's fine
All I'm saying is that it comes at a cost
and as you are doing your own mastering, it makes no sense to do it on a stereo mixdown, just treating the elements that you feel would need it, would make more sense |
i won't discuss with you, you are the mastering engineer, you have the gear, you have the experience your opinion counts but... i read this on an izotope tutorial i believe and explained what i said started using it and i see it works but maybe would hurt more if you don't do things like i, that i've been trained this way, do. |
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| Seandroid |
| I would definitely advise against putting reverb on the master as well. That just seems like a really cheap way to attempt to fix a problem in your mix to begin with. It's just not ideal. |
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| eyepad |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodri Santos
Here there is a small clip i've just done first without reverb and then with reverb + saturation.
As you can see the kick has like a deeper tail but check how the claps and hats sound more stereo?? (which is the OT) also check how the kick becomes more present along with the bassline.
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I hear more depth, warmth, and cohesiveness, but not really more width. The snare sticks out of the mix a lot more, but doesn't sound wider. Maybe if you added reverb at the track level and panned it away from the source, you might get a wider stereo image. Or maybe I just need to listen on something better than my earbuds lol. Anyway, it improved the sound and not in a Celine Dion sort of way so thats good. |
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