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| clay |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
gain staging fail. Not that it matters but it would be the incorrect way to do it. basically if you were an assistant and someone saw you do this, you would be out of a job. |
well adjusting the instrumenst instead would for example make it very easy to just swap mixing-console for like if i ever would like to mix outside my computer. for me the whole mixer pointless, i just need a summing device as i never touch the faders, eqs, dynamics or ever use send efex. i do it all in the istrument chaing. call me stupid but it works for me. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by sundrip
Offtopic but I have been playing around with the tape effect on the master, it brings some uniformity to the mix, mids are a little tighter. Will do more. |
i was talking about actual tape and how that guided how engineers used faders which might excuse someone or at least explain why they try to get a hot signal but in the digital realm, you gain nothing. Especially in EDM where there really is no noise floor . |
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| sundrip |
| Not sure what you mean by noise floor, but is probably something you can simulate no? |
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| DJ RANN |
@ clay and L4C - It is indeed a gain staging fail except for the one scenario you described, where all you're interested in is a summing device and literally everything is done at instrument level; that's really oldschool (like pre 1950's) and I get how you could do it in reason but honestly it's a bit of a engineers nightmare the second you start going to another system or want to start group mixing or add any automated cross channel FX or even stem mix etc.
And just to be a wanker, there is also is a noise floor in EDM - it doesn't exist in the computer but the moment you render to any format there is always an inherent noise floor, at least technically speaking. |
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| LoveHate |
| quote: | Originally posted by clay
all my faders are in 0, i never touch them, i adjust the levels on the instrument instead. this coming from a dj point of view where you have the gain knob adjusting levesls and the mixing fader for playing with the parts (same as mute/solo functionality really). |
. I gotcha so basically you leave everything on the mixer alone but adjust the levels on like the midi channel or w.e instead? wouldn't that be kind of hard if you can't see them all visually, I did read somewhere in the fruity manual that , it's more intuinative to do that though. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by LoveHate
. I gotcha so basically you leave everything on the mixer alone but adjust the levels on like the midi channel or w.e instead? wouldn't that be kind of hard if you can't see them all visually, I did read somewhere in the fruity manual that , it's more intuinative to do that though. |
Not sure how FLS handles it, but in some DAWs, adjusting the MIDI level is essentially overriding the MIDI velocity. If that's the case, then it's a terrible idea because the timbre (e.g., cutoff, amp EGs, etc.) responds to velocity. More importantly, there's no good reason to keep your faders at 0, especially in the software realm. They're there for a reason. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
And just to be a wanker, there is also is a noise floor in EDM - it doesn't exist in the computer but the moment you render to any format there is always an inherent noise floor, at least technically speaking. |
i said there is pretty much no noise floor unlike a recording so you can have your meters peaking at -20 dBfs and you are not going to introduce any degradation. And it just make no sense not using the faders when using virtual instruments. think about how much time you would lose having to go to the actual instrument to adjust. Faders are there to make things quicker.
And there were no faders in early consoles because consoles didn't exist. You went straight to tape. Pretty sure the first actual console with faders was in the late 50s
wank on that. |
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| SoundMagus |
| I have my master out set to -6dB to -10dB and then mix my tune using the faders on the mixing desk, after all, thats what they are for lol |
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| clay |
| quote: | Originally posted by LoveHate
. I gotcha so basically you leave everything on the mixer alone but adjust the levels on like the midi channel or w.e instead? wouldn't that be kind of hard if you can't see them all visually, I did read somewhere in the fruity manual that , it's more intuinative to do that though. |
no i dont use midi levels. i adjust the instrument level. the fader or gain knob on the synths and drummachines. i use reason. i use the mixer only to sum the instruments and to watch the master level to avoid peak, จจ |
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| sundrip |
| I ride faders often. I always adjust my master gain after the mixer. All the ratios need to be good always. |
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| kevin shawn |
I yank everything down to around -10 to -12 and go from there. Finished track is nowhere near 0db, usually more like -4 or -5. Limiter on master or some sort of mastering suite to get it louder after I have arranged and mixed.
I could be doing it wrong but this is how I do things :toocool: |
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| PlasticSoul |
| quote: | Originally posted by LoveHate
just wondering , how many of you lower all of your faders, before you start working on a track , or start mixing, and what level is a reasonable level?
for me i would say -10 db is just enough headroom. :) |
-12 ableton default.
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