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Drum Fills? How Important Are They? (pg. 2)
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| TranceElevation |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
That firs track takes a sound used as an FX then uses it as a fill. It's more interesting than just a fill, IMO. |
Well, it's dance music. What matters is the concept anyway. Those could be hi hats rolls also. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
that would be a drum fill.
The problem with "drum fills" in dance is that people can't program them so when you try to do something that sounds like what a drummer would do, it just sounds horrid. Drum fill is the wrong word. I would just say a fill with any sort of sound you have. That way you won't try to do something that is trying to be something it isn't |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
that would be a drum fill.
The problem with "drum fills" in dance is that people can't program them so when you try to do something that sounds like what a drummer would do, it just sounds horrid. Drum fill is the wrong word. I would just say a fill with any sort of sound you have. That way you won't try to do something that is trying to be something it isn't |
I think you're right; most producers can't program a real drum fill so they end up using rolls or stuttered perc, which isn't the same thing. They are just essentially a fill of a kind, nearly like an FX that happens to fill or bridge a phrase.
@beatflux - I would go in to minutiae about Pryda's techniques but this is actually quite a useful thread and Pryda, is in this subject, the other side of the coin (i.e. he;s the exception which proves the rule).
I've been meaning to make a thread about pryda for ages so I probably get around to it this weekend.... |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceElevation
Well, it's dance music. What matters is the concept anyway. Those could be hi hats rolls also. |
I'm not putting it down.
The track takes the idea of a random FX in the middle of a 2 or 4 bar phrase, then also uses it for the fill. I think its a good idea. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
(i.e. he;s the exception which proves the rule).
I've been meaning to make a thread about pryda for ages so I probably get around to it this weekend.... |
I've never been impressed by an EDM fill. They are just kind of there in the song, but its typically nothing special. Unless it was sampled from a funk record or something, its kind of there to hide underneath the white noise riser.
A pattern change, vocal snippet, or silence is better most of the time.
Pryda thread, yay. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
you know you could at least compliment my outfit if the vdrums do nothing for you
As far as cool fills. i think the cut up french electro and some of the "complextro" has some great stuff |
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| sundrip |
| Lol complextro is just one big pile of fills every second technically. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| the bad stuff is annoying like that i agree. I mean a fill is just a rythmic phrase and they have hierarchies. So you tend to get a 2 bar drum pattern and there is something that makes it sound 2 bars. Then 4 , then 8 and as you split bigger phrases, the fill tends to emphasize the change. |
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| Evolve140 |
| This is heavy. Word. |
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| frenchboy |
I think the less effect fills you use the better the track and the most skills you display as a musician. It's not that easy to have a song flow without using any effect fills.
Using the full drum kit or other instrument as fills is another story though. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
disagree. There is nothing you will do instrument wise that has not been done better by others years ago. Using synths as percussion and using modulation to replicate the sort of rhythmic play a drummer might add is just aesthetically better unless you are using an oldschool fill with that mono kit with overheads smashed to tape. I would do both but I can play drums and wouldn't do what way too many people do.
Stick with what you are good at. Having something great then adding a sample guitar that sounds like complete to anyone that has ever played guitar is just stuff you shouldn't do. Learn to play guitar, then try but if you don't know guitars , maybe learn first before using them. |
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| frenchboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
disagree. There is nothing you will do instrument wise that has not been done better by others years ago. Using synths as percussion and using modulation to replicate the sort of rhythmic play a drummer might add is just aesthetically better unless you are using an oldschool fill with that mono kit with overheads smashed to tape. I would do both but I can play drums and wouldn't do what way too many people do.
Stick with what you are good at. Having something great then adding a sample guitar that sounds like complete to anyone that has ever played guitar is just stuff you shouldn't do. Learn to play guitar, then try but if you don't know guitars , maybe learn first before using them. |
your argument makes no sense, everything has already been done years ago and by instrument I also meant synthesis.
by effects I mean whooshes and whitenoise crap that makes it super easy to transition from part to part. If your song doesn't contain any of these fills and still transition smoothly it deserves more credit. |
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