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| future_newbie |
People, what's the best way to manage multiple delay effects?
What is more convenient, to load one each time you need it as an insert or to somehow organize things through sends fx channels. What do you personally do, how would you manage 10 different delay effects for example? |
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| wayfinder |
i've never used 10 different delay effects in a single track - couldn't help you with that.
i set up two delays as sends, a sharp one with a lot of treble and one blurry and lowpassed, with different timing on each. combined with reverb, that gives me enough versatility to place stuff in its unique spaces while keeping a coherent whole intact.
i also sidechain my sends to the kick, slightly. |
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by future_newbie
People, what's the best way to manage multiple delay effects?
What is more convenient, to load one each time you need it as an insert or to somehow organize things through sends fx channels. What do you personally do, how would you manage 10 different delay effects for example? |
gonna give you the answer you dont want....
it depends :D |
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| future_newbie |
| quote: | Originally posted by wayfinder
i've never used 10 different delay effects in a single track - couldn't help you with that.
i set up two delays as sends, a sharp one with a lot of treble and one blurry and lowpassed, with different timing on each. combined with reverb, that gives me enough versatility to place stuff in its unique spaces while keeping a coherent whole intact.
i also sidechain my sends to the kick, slightly. |
I understand that 10 delays might sound exaggerated, but actually in psy trance this is pretty common. And since I'm oriented towards such type of track right now, I was wondering, simply from organizational perspective, how would you go. |
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| vercetti |
| Just use inserts. Easier to me personally. YMMV obviously. |
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| sako487 |
| Use sends as your go to delay, and use inserts for more specific sounds |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by future_newbie
I understand that 10 delays might sound exaggerated, but actually in psy trance this is pretty common. And since I'm oriented towards such type of track right now, I was wondering, simply from organizational perspective, how would you go. |
I can guarantee that nobody is using 10 delay plugins. Unless they are just using it for stereo imaging delaying one channel.
Use a send. That way you have control over the entire delay bus if you want to filter it or do what ever you far out psy trsance producers do. |
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| clay |
| quote: | Originally posted by future_newbie
People, what's the best way to manage multiple delay effects?
What is more convenient, to load one each time you need it as an insert or to somehow organize things through sends fx channels. What do you personally do, how would you manage 10 different delay effects for example? |
some times i use sends, but most of the time i use the instruments inbuilt delay (like Thor). i actually think sends are for saving money in the hardware setup, in software i see it as quite stupid. |
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| future_newbie |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
I can guarantee that nobody is using 10 delay plugins. Unless they are just using it for stereo imaging delaying one channel.
Use a send. That way you have control over the entire delay bus if you want to filter it or do what ever you far out psy trsance producers do. |
I'm not sure about 10 delays but I've read some year ago of a psy producer who used up to 8 delays as a send. 4 classic types: 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16 - 2PingPong delays - And 2 weird unique delay types.
And this is what I'm aiming to build as a set up.
Btw thanks to sako and Clooney. |
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| DJ RANN |
s sake guys.
It's sends all the way.
It's not a cost saving measure, it's for several reasons:
1, You often want to use the same type of delay(s) on multiple tracks or sub groups or even groups to give you a coherent sound.
2, Speed and Efficiency - if you know what delay you're going to use, you create one instance of that type then however many tracks you want to add as you go along, you just route to that send and dial in the amount - no ing about with delay settings each time.
3, It's far less CPU heavy to have a few instances than tons of individual instances for every track.
What you'll find in most studios is that delays (amongst other FX) are part of the desk build (or temple for you bedroom noobs).
We usually do:
1 x Slap
1 x 1/4
1 x 1/8
1 x Weird FX delay
4 x blank (used if needed).
Then you just send to what you need. Makes mixing and creating a sound so much faster and easier. |
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| cryophonik |
| I'm usually a minimalist when it comes to delays, but I just finished watching Kenny Gioia's delay videos on Groove3 and he showed off some pretty interesting techniques using multiple delay plugins. By the end, he was using 5 different delays on a single-tracked vocal for doubling, slap back, echo, longer automated delays with some flanging, etc. I started watching it thinking that it might be too elementary (which much of it was), but it was cool to see someone else's workflow and how he uses some relatively simple techniques to get some very cool (and sometimes terrible) results. |
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| future_newbie |
| timeless appears to be more complicated than what I thought. I'm capable of using the standard delays that come built-in into Cubase, but how do I make timeless act as a ping-pong delay for example? And Dotted, Triplet? I'm so confused...maybe cryo could help with this one? |
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