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How To Get These Phat-Ass Basslines
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| MIKE333ACE |
Hey trolls, haven't posted here for ages, just thought I'd start up a thread on the curious topic of how to get these massive sounding basslines. I myself have made some successful driving basslines however with some specific ones such as the track below you will notice that they have a very thick sound. What this helps do (in my opinion) is fill in room at the drop or 'climax' for the lead. As in, if the lead isn't some massive arp that's constantly making a sound, the phat bassline will fill in the split second parts where the lead isn't playing.
So overall I'm just wondering whether anyone has any tips and tricks to share to try and achieve a bassline like this. Is it in the sub bass, the main bass, etc?
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| djyouth |
Sidechain with fast release, stereo separation(!), hard compression and eq. Probably a simple sine sub in mono.
By the time you've learnt how to do that this kind of music is pretty old, but you'll learn and can use that knowledge to whatever is cool at the time. Music, as a job however, is more than making whatever you like.. |
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| MIKE333ACE |
| quote: | Originally posted by djyouth
Sidechain with fast release, stereo separation(!), hard compression and eq. Probably a simple sine sub in mono.
By the time you've learnt how to do that this kind of music is pretty old, but you'll learn and can use that knowledge to whatever is cool at the time. Music, as a job however, is more than making whatever you like.. |
Cheers, I think I'll try out some heavy compression and quick release sidechain.
And yeah, I've been ing around with so many other genres of music lately, got some awesome feedback from a dirty electro track I'm working on. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
I find the newer stuff , alot of it really terrible for actual references.
in terms of the rolling bass line, pm robbie. He has been working on it for 8 years. Anyways,
yes, the bass part is actually a triangle ish wave or sine with some saturation. And then layers to add definition.
The more bass you want, the less highs you can have. Bass just takes room so when you start hearing all the percussion, you can really cut down on the mid bass stuff quite a bit. But ya, the second you start adding alot of , everything is less in upfront. That is why the best part of most tracks at least in a club when people dance is when you don't actually have much top end and it is the bass, kick and back beat. Thats when people will be dancing the hardest.
The actual bass region should be very clean. Use a filter and listen to it and it should just sound very clean with no distortion below 125. The cleaner it is, the better it will work with audio drivers. And you don't need to have the same movement as the mid bass. Sometimes, an 8th note on the off beat will work well with the 16ths mids that give you that rolling bass sound. And you want that region to be as stable as you can. You really don't need to side chain that part. |
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| djyouth |
Same with dirty electro;)
Anyways, stereo separation is what does the trick here for the top bassline. Check out Simple Delay (Live) with around 20 ms difference in L/R or one of Logic's stereo spread plugins. There's alot of plugins and also manual ways to do this, although only proper plugins will let you do it and get away with no phase issues. |
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| MIKE333ACE |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
I find the newer stuff , alot of it really terrible for actual references.
in terms of the rolling bass line, pm robbie. He has been working on it for 8 years. Anyways,
yes, the bass part is actually a triangle ish wave or sine with some saturation. And then layers to add definition.
The more bass you want, the less highs you can have. Bass just takes room so when you start hearing all the percussion, you can really cut down on the mid bass stuff quite a bit. But ya, the second you start adding alot of , everything is less in upfront. That is why the best part of most tracks at least in a club when people dance is when you don't actually have much top end and it is the bass, kick and back beat. Thats when people will be dancing the hardest.
The actual bass region should be very clean. Use a filter and listen to it and it should just sound very clean with no distortion below 125. The cleaner it is, the better it will work with audio drivers. And you don't need to have the same movement as the mid bass. Sometimes, an 8th note on the off beat will work well with the 16ths mids that give you that rolling bass sound. And you want that region to be as stable as you can. You really don't need to side chain that part. |
Yeah alright I might hit him up with a message then.
And over the last year or so I've gradually become good with keeping my basslines neat, however how do I tell if there's distortion below 125hz and what would get rid of it if there is? |
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| Juan Paulino |
| Are you using an SSD? |
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| MIKE333ACE |
| quote: | Originally posted by djyouth
Same with dirty electro;)
Anyways, stereo separation is what does the trick here for the top bassline. Check out Simple Delay (Live) with around 20 ms difference in L/R or one of Logic's stereo spread plugins. There's alot of plugins and also manual ways to do this, although only proper plugins will let you do it and get away with no phase issues. |
Cheers, and yeah, I generally tend to use L/R difference when adding delay to high basses |
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| MIKE333ACE |
| quote: | Originally posted by Juan Paulino
Are you using an SSD? |
Uhh no, just a basic hard drive? |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| the robbie thing was a joke. I mean he just always talked about his rolling basses. for like 5 years. That drive is not coming from the lows. LIsten with just a sub if you have one and the that region should sound kinda like a a continuous drone. The lower you go, the less agile and rhythmic you can be. But people will fill the information in.IF you have 16ths on top and 8ths on the bottom, most will hear 16ths on the bottom. And any volume manipulation will really be rather drastic on a big system. like 1 dB of pumping will probably not be noticeable at home but on a system, it will. Not that i think making music for clubs makes any financial sense at all but ya, i guess people still don't realize that the EDM market is really at least in terms of money for people wearing headbuds. |
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| MIKE333ACE |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
the robbie thing was a joke. I mean he just always talked about his rolling basses. for like 5 years. |
Oh haha, well I haven't been on here for ages months so I've lost touch with all that |
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| MIKE333ACE |
| quote: | | I guess people still don't realize that the EDM market is really at least in terms of money for people wearing headbuds. |
This is exactly what I've been thinking for ages. People always say to optimise it for a massive system and all that but people tend to buy and judge a "song" when they're sitting at home with their headphones on. |
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