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BT's "A Song Across the Wires" (pg. 2)
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| djshire |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7
The thing is he has always produced crap and masterpieces in a similar time frame.
He has always worked with some great artists and some questionable ones.
He hasn't really changed imo in terms of his approach to music. He is still doing things the way he wants.
If he made another Godspeed or Flaming June or whatever he'd be no better off.
The guy is an incredible artist. I will admit most of his tracks I really don't like at all. But there is always a few that are killer.
No doubt he could write and produce a Seth Troxler style track on the ter using his iPhone's voice recorder.
The guy makes poppy tracks and serious tracks in almost equal measure and he always has. |
Exactly.
BT is.....schizophrenic?, for lack of a better term....in the way he does things. He's all over the place. He makes tracks of all genres and sub-genres, sometimes his less listened to stuff is better than the tracks that everyone knows, and his level of technical skill in music-making usually gets in the way of his ability to make interesting music. BT is amazing and at the same time, all the time. He's one of my favorite producers, he got me into electronic music, djing, and producing, but even I can see that he is far from perfect. He doesn't usually make sense overall, but that isn't always a bad thing. |
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| Sykonee |
| Did anyone even bother checking out that shoegazey titled album he last released? Or that "I cans William Orbit too" modern classical one either? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7
The thing is he has always produced crap and masterpieces in a similar time frame. |
Everything you've said in this thread is complete bollocks. During the Ima and ESCM years he was consistently great, and for the past decade of so he's been consistently , with one notable exception. The only time he could have been said to producing mixed output was around MiSL. Everything the man has made on his own back for the last decade has been .
As time goes on, I've come to think that BT is a man of great talent but no taste. He cannot discern between quality and , and just about all of his career highlights came when he was been guided by someone else. As soon as Sasha stopped mentoring him he started his inexorable decline, and it's becoming pretty clear now that the studio input of Trifonic was a big factor in This Binary Universe's unexpected brilliance. |
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| Lunar Phase 7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Everything you've said in this thread is complete bollocks. |
Well it would be wouldn't it system?
You can throw together a decent mix and your taste in music I generally respect. But your posts are still only opinions.
Sasha mentoring BT? What exactly does Sasha produce so well solo?
His out put in the last 10 years is ? Well the Monster Score, Our Dark Garden to name but two things says he can still make amazing music.
Arguably one of his biggest tracks "Remember" I consider to be one of his worst. Vocal fluff. Pretty much like some of the vocal stuff he is throwing out now. Nothing ha changed.
In fact I am pretty certain ti was you who even said in an earlier discussion he has always made stuff that is popular such as big beat, etc...
Which is pretty much what he is doing now and has been doing for most of his career, along side ing around with a million gadgets for no reason what so ever.
What exactly would make you happy? Perhaps if he did a collaboration with Adele or something? |
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| Lunar Phase 7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sykonee
Did anyone even bother checking out that shoegazey titled album he last released? Or that "I cans William Orbit too" modern classical one either? |
His output has been ridiculous lately. |
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| vinnie97 |
| His ambient drone album last year (Morceau Sobrosa) was definitely a case of "me, too!" (something Biosphere had long since mastered). It's a bit on the self-indulgent side but is one of his better releases in the past decade (aside from Binary U). I found his first decade of activity much more enjoyable on the whole...with Ima (favorite album next to TBU), ESCM, and MISL being more enjoyable than not. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7
But your posts are still only opinions. |
My opinions on this matter are closely informed by logic and possession of the facts. Yours are merely subjective impressions. Let's go through this one by one.
| quote: | | Sasha mentoring BT? What exactly does Sasha produce so well solo? |
Firstly, Sasha's solo productions are scarcely relevant to my point, as I stated that BT's problem is his lack of taste not talent, and Sasha is a taste-maker par excellence. He broke BT's records in the UK club scene and guided his direction in the early part of his career. This is a big part of why BT was so consistent early in his career, which is the whole point of debate.
Even setting that aside, Sasha and BT worked together on several occasions early on in his career, notably on Heart Of Imagination and their remix of Seal. In the process of this, Sasha introduced BT to his producer, Richard Dekkard and his engineer, Phil Dane. These two had production and engineering credits on numerous early BT tracks such as his remixes of Mike Oldfield's Let There Be Light and Grace's Not Over Yet. So actually, BT was using the same co-producers as Sasha around that time, and audibly learned a lot from them.
| quote: | | His out put in the last 10 years is ? Well the Monster Score, Our Dark Garden to name but two things says he can still make amazing music. |
I said everything he made "off his own back". Read the Monster OST inlay and you'll see BT had a whole studio full of helpers in making that project, notably "Music Assistance" provided by Michael DiMattia.
| quote: | | Arguably one of his biggest tracks "Remember" I consider to be one of his worst. Vocal fluff. Pretty much like some of the vocal stuff he is throwing out now. Nothing ha changed. |
The original version of Remember is certainly vocal fluff, but even that came with an excellent mix from BT himself, the Blue Memory Dub, which can't be said about any of his vocal tracks from the last few years. Even setting that aside, Remember is one duff track out of ten from ESCM. Even if I'm generous and I give you that terrible Lullaby For Gaia track which Oakenfold wisely cut from the UK release of ESCM, that's 2 duff tracks out of 11. That is not producing crap and quality in "almost equal measure" as you're claiming. Whereas your examples of good stuff by BT runs to two or three records made in the last decade, which makes the good stuff a distinct minority. So to recap, early in his career his stuff was generally good and now it's mostly crap. Which is why you're talking utter bollocks. |
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| Lunar Phase 7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
My opinions on this matter are closely informed by logic and possession of the facts. Yours are merely subjective impressions. Let's go through this one by one.
Firstly, Sasha's solo productions are scarcely relevant to my point, as I stated that BT's problem is his lack of taste not talent, and Sasha is a taste-maker par excellence. He broke BT's records in the UK club scene and guided his direction in the early part of his career. This is a big part of why BT was so consistent early in his career, which is the whole point of debate.
Even setting that aside, Sasha and BT worked together on several occasions early on in his career, notably on Heart Of Imagination and their remix of Seal. In the process of this, Sasha introduced BT to his producer, Richard Dekkard and his engineer, Phil Dane. These two had production and engineering credits on numerous early BT tracks such as his remixes of Mike Oldfield's Let There Be Light and Grace's Not Over Yet. So actually, BT was using the same co-producers as Sasha around that time, and audibly learned a lot from them.
I said everything he made "off his own back". Read the Monster OST inlay and you'll see BT had a whole studio full of helpers in making that project, notably "Music Assistance" provided by Michael DiMattia.
The original version of Remember is certainly vocal fluff, but even that came with an excellent mix from BT himself, the Blue Memory Dub, which can't be said about any of his vocal tracks from the last few years. Even setting that aside, Remember is one duff track out of ten from ESCM. Even if I'm generous and I give you that terrible Lullaby For Gaia track which Oakenfold wisely cut from the UK release of ESCM, that's 2 duff tracks out of 11. That is not producing crap and quality in "almost equal measure" as you're claiming. Whereas your examples of good stuff by BT runs to two or three records made in the last decade, which makes the good stuff a distinct minority. So to recap, early in his career his stuff was generally good and now it's mostly crap. Which is why you're talking utter bollocks. |
Alright fair cop. |
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| mnw479 |
| i, too, like skylarking. |
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| Trance-MB |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7
Arguably one of his biggest tracks "Remember" I consider to be one of his worst. Vocal fluff. Pretty much like some of the vocal stuff he is throwing out now. Nothing ha changed.
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Wait, you are telling me I bought his worst?
Well, I always liked the remixes better, so that saves me I guess.
I wonder if I bought it back then because of the vocals... |
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| DJ Dingel |
| Wow, he even remade Calling Your Name into a god-awful 2013 version. |
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| Lunar Phase 7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Dingel
Wow, he even remade Calling Your Name into a god-awful 2013 version. |
That was another awful tune he made. |
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