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Crisp clean highs (pg. 2)
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| Raphie |
| don't EQ, mix neutral and get decent mastering to open up your tracks... |
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| Rodri Santos |
what i do and i've seen other producers doing the same is that on the final mix i put an eq on the master and the frequencies around 10-15khz i boost them by 2-4db depending on the track to achieve that crispness.
It will depend heavily on what kind of sounds you are using if you already have very high pitched sounds with reverb/delay i'd not recommend doing this as it will become piercing but this for example adds a new dimension to hats in techno tracks. |
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| Andy28 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
don't EQ, mix neutral and get decent mastering to open up your tracks... |
Don't suppose you know anyone do you?
:toothless |
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| sako487 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodri Santos
what i do and i've seen other producers doing the same is that on the final mix i put an eq on the master and the frequencies around 10-15khz i boost them by 2-4db depending on the track to achieve that crispness.
It will depend heavily on what kind of sounds you are using if you already have very high pitched sounds with reverb/delay i'd not recommend doing this as it will become piercing but this for example adds a new dimension to hats in techno tracks. |
terrible idea IMO, you can't just boost on the master, do you think this is a mothering game? |
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| TranceElevation |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodri Santos
what i do and i've seen other producers doing the same is that on the final mix i put an eq on the master and the frequencies around 10-15khz i boost them by 2-4db depending on the track to achieve that crispness.
It will depend heavily on what kind of sounds you are using if you already have very high pitched sounds with reverb/delay i'd not recommend doing this as it will become piercing but this for example adds a new dimension to hats in techno tracks. |
Sorry but this is wrong on so many levels. |
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceElevation
Sorry but this is wrong on so many levels. |
why? |
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| TranceElevation |
| quote: | Originally posted by evo8
why? |
Because it's plain stupid. If you wanna enhance something, do it through its dedicate channel, or a buss, otherwise you're raising the highs of the lead, of the bass, of the pads and everything else. |
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceElevation
Because it's plain stupid. If you wanna enhance something, do it through its dedicate channel, or a buss, otherwise you're raising the highs of the lead, of the bass, of the pads and everything else. |
Whats wrong with raising the highs of everything??? if the final mix sounds better then where is the problem???
it was kind of an eye-opener (ear-opener??) for me, eqing on the mixbuss. For example on highs, not only are you boosting your main mix channels, you are also boosting your AUX channels, where you may have some nice reverbs, delays etc
The key is using an excellent EQ and the EQ which is right for that mix...and not over-doing it obviously
Either Pultec or Trident shall remain on my mixbuss for a long time to come :D |
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| Andy28 |
| quote: | Originally posted by evo8
Either Pultec or Trident shall remain on my mixbuss for a long time to come :D |
Maag eg works really well too |
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| Rodri Santos |
maybe i didn't explain myself clearly enough.
First of all it must be something very subtle and progressive so you need a parametric eq that boosts the 15khz less than the 20khz.
What counts is the final mix and i am not particularly worried if i am boosting the 20khz frequencies of my bassline mainly because they're filtered above 1khz.
You've to achieve a balanced mix with clear bass, warm mids and crisp highs, a balanced mix does not mean that the highs have to be at the same decibels than the bass but they clearly need some kind of proportion (although this is not mathematics you shouldn't aproach mixing stage or production in general from a scientific point of view, use your ears it can sound right even if the data seems slightly wrong)
In fact, there are many sucessful dance tracks that are completely the opposite to what it should be yet they sound very good but won't miss the point i was talking about.
Reality is that 15khz+ frequencies play at very low volume in a common mix so they're rarely noticeable but do this to understand how important they are:
-Pick a track and bandpass everything above 15khz.
-Compare both tracks on audacity or your daw.
You'll see that the waveforms are mildly different and i swear you that if you do the opposite, you bandpass everything BELOW 15khz you won't hear much but the overall impact on the mix is very noticeable.
To be brief if you bandpass everything above 15khz you are converting a WAV into a 128kbps mp3 more or less the same effect so it clearly counts. |
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| TranceElevation |
| quote: | Originally posted by evo8
Whats wrong with raising the highs of everything??? if the final mix sounds better then where is the problem???
it was kind of an eye-opener (ear-opener??) for me, eqing on the mixbuss. For example on highs, not only are you boosting your main mix channels, you are also boosting your AUX channels, where you may have some nice reverbs, delays etc
The key is using an excellent EQ and the EQ which is right for that mix...and not over-doing it obviously
Either Pultec or Trident shall remain on my mixbuss for a long time to come :D |
Again, you're missing the point. My critic doesn't refer simply to the technical error of that move, but to the logical also.
Boosting highs on the master will increase those on pads and leads as well. If you want something to stand out, normally you would increase the desired frequencies on one channel and reduce those same frequencies on another one that occupies the same range, or at least you won't boost them, cause otherwise you're just making a null test. There is only one 15 khz, so you should decide which element got the privilege of ruling that area.
Now, you could tell me: "Yeah, but my way sounds good to my ears". Ok, that's perfectly fine, but you're misleading the guy.
He asked for a way to enhance high hats and you suggest him to raise those, but also everything else...no sense. |
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