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| JohnSmith |
Well.. I live all the way over in BC, but, i don't think that quebec should separate.. and if they did, i CERTAINLY don't think it would be a good idea to leave one city in the middle part of canada, and the rest of quebec another country.
how much sense would that make?
my opinion is that canada should remain as it is, one solid country. So what if the people speak french over there, that is their choice, it is a free country, they can do what they like.
further more, i believe the laws should be standardized, the entire country should be bilingual.
I have to read french ingredient lists on my food, but in quebec, not only do you NOT have to put english on your products, it's actually ILLEGAL? wtf is that about?
and don't even get me started on the quebec criminal code being different... yeesh..
anyway, more things about canada, you should try touching on the medical marijuana issue, and also legalization, that is a current hot topic right now.
in BC our number one export is forestry products, and number two is marijuana.
Also, another thing to mention, is our awesome healthcare system. :rolleyes:
well.. it's supposed to be awesome, but, corporations are trying to take it over and make it american style where you need health insurance or you will die from a broken leg. |
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| fastmp3 |
yeah the health issue is terrible here , countries like France have better medical support than Canada
JS : that's not true , everything sold here must be in both languages :) you will never buy a pack of Lay's and see the ingredients in french only :)
and if you think Canada should be one strong country , then you should convince the non quebeckers to speak french too , and that's gonna be impossible trust me with all the hatred thowards quebec :( |
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| Mosaic |
Canada should stay together. This country has incredible potential.
As for Quebec, I think they are just being sore losers (the seperatists, that is). Until recently, the Canadian Flag was BANNED from inside the Quebec Provincial Parliament. That's sad, and disrespectful to our country, which, like it or not, you are still a part of. I've also seen videos of seperatists ripping up + walking over Canada Flags during a Quebec City protest on Canada. To me, it just doesn't seem much different from Ossama and his buddies burning USA flags. Some things just sickens me. But thankfully, seperatism in Quebec is dying, because I like the French! It's a cool twist in our country. |
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| JohnSmith |
well.. it's not about tell quebecers they need to speak english. it's about letting people speak whatever they want.
I can speak pig latin if i feel like it, and still be canadian.
half of the population of vancouver speaks chinese, does that mean they should make their own country? (ok i am exagerating)
point is, canada is a free country.
and about the english and french, i don't know much about the issue, so, i'm not going to pretend i am an expert. I did a little looking though, and found that i was mistaken about the food labels, it is actually the signs outside of buildings that i meant to mention.
There is what i found:
| quote: | | For many, Quebec’s byzantine language laws are in fact part of the problem. A strict law, known as Bill 101, required that all public and retail signs be only in French. After decades of wrangling over constitutional legalities, English was temporarily allowed inside stores and finally bilingual exterior and interior signs were permitted as long as French was 'markedly predominant'. But some peculiarities remained, and to this day only French is allowed on billboards of 16 square meters or more, on moving vehicles, in the metro and in bus shelters. |
interesting article: http://www.agbu.org/pages/canada/canquebec.html |
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| ahlamalek |
| the more things go... the more english canada is becoming more and more like the US... thats why i think maybe i'll vote yes in the next referndum... its incredible, the last referndum i was all the way for the NO... but now i'm not sure about it anymore. look how the federal gov in general is the US's bitch... |
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| DJ Chrono |
I feel that if quebec wants to seperate so badly, then let them..
but, the last time they wanted to seperate they were just unreasonable. They wanted to still use canadian currency. They wanted to share the same cross border import/export laws with the united states as the rest of canada. and they wanted all this other stuff that IS CANADIAN, but to become a different country!!! What on earth is that all about!?
Sometimes it just gets on my nerves.. I was forced to take 9 years of french class in school, while in quebec the students dont have to take english (from what I've been told) :whip: even though we learned France french and not Quebec french.. :mad:
they forced video game companies to include french instruction manuals with their games, In ALL OF CANADA , not just quebec.
they made english ILLEGAL on signs (along time ago) and even in english speaking french cities, you could not have english. but you could have other languages..
if you want to keep your french culture and language so badly, why dont you move to france.
sorry if i offended any people living in quebec, but that's the way I feel.
Now to the topic at hand.. you could mention something about the multiculturalism in canada.
I mean, in my school 50% of the students are chinese, 39% are white, 10% are brown, 1% black..
im a minority in my own school.. lol.
sometimes i wonder if the immigration policies of this country are a little lax ;) |
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| Dmatrox |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Chrono
I feel that if quebec wants to seperate so badly, then let them..
but, the last time they wanted to seperate they were just unreasonable. They wanted to still use canadian currency. They wanted to share the same cross border import/export laws with the united states as the rest of canada. and they wanted all this other stuff that IS CANADIAN, but to become a different country!!! What on earth is that all about!?
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I agree. Ive they are so obliged and feel strongly to separate, why wont they just do it? I dont have any beef against Quebec or the french. If they wanna leave go ahead. They have good hydro and lumber exports and fishing, but those industries wont make a nation prosperous. |
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| ahlamalek |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Chrono
but, the last time they wanted to seperate they were just unreasonable. They wanted to still use canadian currency. They wanted to share the same cross border import/export laws with the united states as the rest of canada. and they wanted all this other stuff that IS CANADIAN, but to become a different country!!! What on earth is that all about!?
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the use of candian currency is supposed to be temporary till dust settles down then switch to another currency. And for the export/import stuff you're talking about, they want to stay in the NAFTA... this isn't not proprely canadian... so i don't see why they shouldn't.
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Sometimes it just gets on my nerves.. I was forced to take 9 years of french class in school, while in quebec the students dont have to take english (from what I've been told) :whip: even though we learned France french and not Quebec french.. :mad:
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completly wrong about this... i learned english starting at 4th grade in junior and thru high school AND cegep... which means 11 years. Even now, they want young students to learn it even earlier... your sources are defiently wrong about this. And I'm sorry about your sorry ass French teacher :p
| quote: | | they forced video game companies to include french instruction manuals with their games, In ALL OF CANADA , not just quebec. |
actually Quebec asked that every game sold in quebec must be bilingual (like all other products)... since the canadian market is so small, companies aren't stupid enough to make a version for english only canada and quebec version... one standard for all I guess...
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they made english ILLEGAL on signs (along time ago) and even in english speaking french cities, you could not have english. but you could have other languages..
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yes English only signs are illegal as with any other language... it can be both in english and french or any language as long as french is the dominating language (larger font). I see nothing wrong with this, and its due to fact that in the 70s, all the big stores were posting signs in english only... this is still a majorly french province so I don't see why the majortiy shouldn't be served in their own language?? i would be happy to see your face when stores in toronto or vancouver will serve you only in chinese...
| quote: | | if you want to keep your french culture and language so badly, why dont you move to france. |
hahaha this is funny :) why don't anglo in montreal move to england??? i don't think it works that way man :) and already forgot your canadian history class? before being beaten by the english all of quebec/ontario/mid west till down to louisiana was a french colony :)
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I mean, in my school 50% of the students are chinese, 39% are white, 10% are brown, 1% black..
im a minority in my own school.. lol. |
back in the days when i was in high school. there was like maybe 2 or 3 french people per class, not even 5-10% of school population. The rest being Greek, Armenians, Lebanese, Syrians, Haitian, etc etc...
| quote: | | sometimes i wonder if the immigration policies of this country are a little lax ;) |
yes they are.
I know its lame to quote like that, but I couldn't pass this one up :)
Come to montreal and see for yourself how different it is from the rest of canada. |
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| ahlamalek |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dmatrox
I agree. Ive they are so obliged and feel strongly to separate, why wont they just do it? I dont have any beef against Quebec or the french. If they wanna leave go ahead. They have good hydro and lumber exports and fishing, but those industries wont make a nation prosperous. |
fishing?? hahaha no man, its not BC.
we have almost every metal/mineral including gold and diamonds. Technology wise its very good especially with aerospatial (planes and like that)... the IT is big. The economy is pretty much diversified, even more than in Ontario which still heavily depends on manufacturing cars for the US. I think the only thing we lack is a big enough financial sector like in Toronto. |
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| brunette |
| quote: | Originally posted by BacardiMan
....but Canada is one of the greatest countries in the world and everybody in Canada should be happy to live in a country like Canada. |
And why is that?
I knew this thread will turn onto political issues... |
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| fastmp3 |
| the thing is : if Quebec wants the separation , then let them do so , like you guys care about them or about french or their economy :p |
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| DeeDee |
| quote: | Originally posted by BacardiMan
famous bands? Canada's has tons such as Swollen members/Barnaked ladies/sum 41/not by choice/nickelback/Avril Lavigne/baby blue sound crew/default/nelly furtado/remy shand/weezer there problay lot's more big issue in Canada now is legalizing weed. When I came to Canada 3 years ago I noticed lot's of Canadains life day by day and diffrence between rich and poor is bigger then where i'm from Holland but Canada is one of the greatest countries in the world and everybody in Canada should be happy to live in a country like Canada. |
since when is weezer canadian?! |
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