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The US Crisis! Yet another political thread. (pg. 2)
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| Maaz |
| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
I see this will probably end in flames..... |
Nah, fortunately, flamers seem to be gone. This thread sure looks interesting, but I'm kinda busy now - I'll read everything tomorrow and post my opinion then. |
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| LiquidX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Izzy
who enron? tyco? and all the other fraudulant compinies who lied and committed unlawful acts in business? you know what their companies deserved to be punished. that has nothing to do with Bush or his policies but rather greedy CEO's and other top notch business me willing to break the law in order to get more money |
Why does the company have to be punish just because of 1 or some corrupted bosses ? .. so it means that all the innocent workers have to pay for corruption, whats up with the mixed economy ?!?! where is the gov't to regulate all this actions ? why 300 comapanies go bankruptcy and ahve all this corruption right during Bush's administration ? why isnt he doing anything for that matter ? .. so many questions I just cant find an answer for.. in some form I did.. |
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| Izzy |
| quote: | Originally posted by LiquidX
Why does the company have to be punish just because of 1 or some corrupted bosses ?
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that is the risk of corruption in corporations.
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.. so it means that all the innocent workers have to pay for corruption, whats up with the mixed economy ?!?! |
how about innocent construction workers who die on site during work, every employee should know the risks of joining a profession.
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where is the gov't to regulate all this actions?
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how can you regulate a lie?
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why 300 comapanies go bankruptcy and ahve all this corruption right during Bush's administration ?
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i know you're kidding about the 300 number but all under Bush's eyes? this practice has been going on since time began. it only surfaces when there is a period of economic turn down and true gains and losses can be seen. this is part of the business cycle.
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why isnt he doing anything for that matter ?
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not doing anything? seems like this has been dying down as of late. furthermore the Alan Greespan has been designated by Presidents Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush Jr as Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve. he's been in control of many aspects of US economy for the past 15 years or more. so saying bush is worse the clinton makes no real impact as the presidents do exactly as greenspan advises.
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so many questions I cant cant find an answer for.. |
i hope i answered a few |
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| Illusion |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eugene
Illusion -- I won't even bother replying to your vociferous anti-American diatribe, you're just like all of them... stubborn and dumb. |
Critisising a governmental system does not make me anti American.
I love America as much as the next person, and that's exactly why.
America doesn't belong to it's wonderful people. It's owned by the upper 1 percent that runns every thing.
Fact: The US Government spends $848 a year PER HEAD on military expenditure.
FACT: 1 out of every 3 American kids now goes to bed on an empty stomach. |
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| Illusion |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
I agree with this to some extent. Nothing last forever, and America can be no different. Of course, on a long enough timeline, it is unlikely that any country in the world will even still exist.
And I don't see the Chinese economy as being an international force as long as they remain communist.
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First of all America is going to be around as long as there are humans on earth. I was only refering to great economic and political change when I said the Empire will crumble.
And about China.
China is not exactly an all communist country. The system is double edged and it HAS been for a long time. And right now they are opening their boarders to more foreign investment. You have to study their economic system. Just because the whole world is shouting "Communist China", it doesn't necessarily make it so.
As I mentioned before. The substance is the same. The method of control is the difference.
China uses pure force for keeping it's population under control. but latly they've been moving in the direction of the US themselves.
They've come to the conclusion that you can't control people using force for long. Some thing the US learned during the Labour Strikes of the 1920s. So they desided that all sorts of mechanisms have to be created to control what people think. Using the Media ofcourse.
The mechanism of the US corporate prapaganda system had two major objectives from the start, which achived successfuly.
1. To identify the Free Market system with people's deepest beliefs and values.
2. To identify labour unions with Tyranical governments such as Stalinist Russia.
After that the the mass media has played a more and more powerfull role everyday.
And it doesn't stop at the media either.
A great deal of what you see in the eduction system comes straight out of the public relations area too. |
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| Izzy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Illusion
Fact: The US Government spends $848 a year PER HEAD on military expenditure.
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A governments first and foremost duty is to protect its citizens, to maintain order within and protection from outside threats.
As there is a very real threat to the US right now, the government has a right to do what it must to protect its citizens. most of that $848 comes straight from tax payers, there would be a whole lot more complaining causing to a change in government policy if the public did not see this as nessacry |
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| davinox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Illusion
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FACT: 1 out of every 3 American kids now goes to bed on an empty stomach. |
theres soup kitchens n . :D |
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| Illusion |
How much say do you think the public has on government polocies? Really!
And all that armament is not for protecting "citizens" ok? It's for ripping large wholes in other peoples countries.
The corporate elite doesn't give a about it's citizens.
Besides what good is the army if the threat comes from none military areas like biological warfare.
... and I'm just about sick of this topic..
Cheers for replies people. |
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| Illusion |
| quote: | Originally posted by davinox
theres soup kitchens n . :D |
I like soup :toothless |
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| PhaseFour |
| quote: | Originally posted by Illusion
How much say do you think the public has on government polocies? Really!
And all that armament is not for protecting "citizens" ok? It's for ripping large wholes in other peoples countries.
The corporate elite doesn't give a about it's citizens.
Besides what good is the army if the threat comes from none military areas like biological warfare.
well obviously, they can destory labs that make the biological warefare. the corporate elite care about their citizens because we are a market economy, and no citizens= no money.
... and I'm just about sick of this topic..
Cheers for replies people. |
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| Illusion |
| hhhhhmmmm soup... :tongue2 |
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| ProDiGaL |
Its just history repeating, bomb iraq, take peoples minds of domestics issues, tell them you won a war and saved the free people of the world and win the next election.
I cant help but laugh at the irony of bushes speeches, taling about weapons of mass destruction. Hmmmm lets see now......You have the most weapons of mass destrucion on the planet mr bush, and You have a history of using them, quite frequently too i might add, I mean you are the only country to have dropped two atomic bombs on a civilian population, so who should i fear more saddam or you?? or your controlled news channels that try to keep the public in a constant state of fear so your next test of weapons can be justified?? |
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