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What makes trance different from techno and other electronic genres? (pg. 2)
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| netroM |
| quote: | | What makes trance different from techno and other electronic genres? |
The tier fanbase. |
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| Stormbringer |
Some of you Americans will probably refuse to believe these facts(especially if you are from Detroit and love that Detroit Techno), but here they are...Andreas Tomalla (aka Talla 2xlc) is known as the first to coin the term "techno". In fact, he came up with the term when he wanted to name the "electronic music" section of his record shop. This was in 1981/1982. What he did was simply take "logy" off of technology, and he came up with Techno. Thus, the term took off, big time in Germany. However, at that time, it wasn't exactly a genre, just quit yet.
It was just a term to describe electronic music like we use EDM to describe it. So, for many years (and still today), the Germans used techno to describe techno, house, hardcore, and any other music that sounded electronic....Finally, in 1984, Andreas created his Techno Club for his electronic dance room at the legendary Dorian Gray (RIP) at the Frankfurt airport. This is a fact, and it cannot be disputed. It wasn't until years later when Detroit came up with their Detroit techno...I'm not sure when Frankfurt created their own dark Frankfurt Techno genre (I'm not really a fan of that genre)...However, I wouldn't be surprised if they created it before Detroit Techno got big...
Point? Well, Techno Club wasn't just used for Andreas's techno room at Dorian Gray, it was also used as one of his labels. His Techno Club label came out with some awesome trance/hard trance classics! So, many Germans will call a trance track "techno". In fact, there are many trance songs (that were produced in Germany) which will have vocals that call out "techno". This is a known fact in Germany, even Andreas will tell you this. You guys can talk to him on facebook, if you like.
Anyway, here is a later video which shows that the Germans used (and still use) the term techno to describe electronic sounding music...Yes, they also have their dark sounding techno genre, too..It gets kind of confusing....Anyway, here is this classic song by U96....It doesn't sound like the techno that most of you are used to hearing, does it? Well, that just proves my point. Check out the classic Techno Traxx CD comp series....There are many different electronic sounds on those Cds...
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| quote: | Originally posted by Stormbringer
Some of you Americans will probably refuse to believe these facts(especially if you are from Detroit and love that Detroit Techno), but here they are...Andreas Tomalla (aka Talla 2xlc) is known as the first to coin the term "techno". In fact, he came up with the term when he wanted to name the "electronic music" section of his record shop. This was in 1981/1982. What he did was simply take "logy" off of technology, and he came up with Techno. Thus, the term took off, big time in Germany. However, at that time, it wasn't exactly a genre, just quit yet.
It was just a term to describe electronic music like we use EDM to describe it. So, for many years (and still today), the Germans used techno to describe techno, house, hardcore, and any other music that sounded electronic....Finally, in 1984, Andreas created his Techno Club for his electronic dance room at the legendary Dorian Gray (RIP) at the Frankfurt airport. This is a fact, and it cannot be disputed. It wasn't until years later when Detroit came up with their Detroit techno...I'm not sure when Frankfurt created their own dark Frankfurt Techno genre (I'm not really a fan of that genre)...However, I wouldn't be surprised if they created it before Detroit Techno got big...
Point? Well, Techno Club wasn't just used for Andreas's techno room at Dorian Gray, it was also used as one of his labels. His Techno Club label came out with some awesome trance/hard trance classics! So, many Germans will call a trance track "techno". In fact, there are many trance songs (that were produced in Germany) which will have vocals that call out "techno". This is a known fact in Germany, even Andreas will tell you this. You guys can talk to him on facebook, if you like.
Anyway, here is a later video which shows that the Germans used (and still use) the term techno to describe electronic sounding music...Yes, they also have their dark sounding techno genre, too..It gets kind of confusing....Anyway, here is this classic song by U96....It doesn't sound like the techno that most of you are used to hearing, does it? Well, that just proves my point. Check out the classic Techno Traxx CD comp series....There are many different electronic sounds on those Cds...
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I had no idea about most of this about the coining o the name techno. I would add that even in the 90s a lot of germans called trance music techno. My second cousin dj in a small town in germany and he played a lot of trance but called everything techno. but one guy doesnt make a sample size for any statistical significant conclusions. |
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| Stormbringer |
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Yeah, when I first got to Germany (in 1992/1993), it was real confusing to me. They (including the FM radio deejays) were calling everything techno. However, when I went shopping for EDM music, the music shops had each genre separated...I was cool with that, but then I would hear a big time DJ (while he was getting interviewed) call his trance, hardcore, or house set a techno set on live German T.V....I finally starting asking what the Hell was going on, did some research, and put two and two together. :p Years later, I confirmed it with Andreas Tomalla, himself.... |
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| Trance-MB |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stormbringer
Some of you Americans will probably refuse to believe these facts(especially if you are from Detroit and love that Detroit Techno), but here they are...Andreas Tomalla (aka Talla 2xlc) is known as the first to coin the term "techno". In fact, he came up with the term when he wanted to name the "electronic music" section of his record shop. This was in 1981/1982. What he did was simply take "logy" off of technology, and he came up with Techno. Thus, the term took off, big time in Germany. However, at that time, it wasn't exactly a genre, just quit yet.
It was just a term to describe electronic music like we use EDM to describe it. So, for many years (and still today), the Germans used techno to describe techno, house, hardcore, and any other music that sounded electronic....Finally, in 1984, Andreas created his Techno Club for his electronic dance room at the legendary Dorian Gray (RIP) at the Frankfurt airport. This is a fact, and it cannot be disputed. It wasn't until years later when Detroit came up with their Detroit techno...I'm not sure when Frankfurt created their own dark Frankfurt Techno genre (I'm not really a fan of that genre)...However, I wouldn't be surprised if they created it before Detroit Techno got big...
Point? Well, Techno Club wasn't just used for Andreas's techno room at Dorian Gray, it was also used as one of his labels. His Techno Club label came out with some awesome trance/hard trance classics! So, many Germans will call a trance track "techno". In fact, there are many trance songs (that were produced in Germany) which will have vocals that call out "techno". This is a known fact in Germany, even Andreas will tell you this. You guys can talk to him on facebook, if you like.
Anyway, here is a later video which shows that the Germans used (and still use) the term techno to describe electronic sounding music...Yes, they also have their dark sounding techno genre, too..It gets kind of confusing....Anyway, here is this classic song by U96....It doesn't sound like the techno that most of you are used to hearing, does it? Well, that just proves my point. Check out the classic Techno Traxx CD comp series....There are many different electronic sounds on those Cds...
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See what happened when I sad this here at TA, yeah, I was an idiot....(just saying how I experienced it without any research):
| quote: | Seems like most of you know what Trance is, but to know what Techno is you need to go back to 1994,1995. I believe Techno has started in Germany. Short after this another name appeared: "RAVE", more aggressive and faster. To my view both of these melted together. Sometimes called Rave, sometimes called Techno. Small differences in rhythm, tempo and instruments could make a track more Rave or Techno.
Good (old) Techno examples are:
Tom Wilson - Techno Cat (who didn't dance on it?)
Moby - Feeling So Real
Star Wash - Disco Fans
Celvin Rotan - I Believe
Westbam
Marusha
Scooter
Mark'Oh
Technohead
DJ Hooligan
Members Of Mayday
Sequential One
Also in the Club's a dance style developed. A style typical for Techno. You cannot dance like this on a Rave of Trance track. I believe this made a clear difference 20 years ago. |
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...302044-p-2.html
I still remember hearing Das Boot the first time in a German club called Galaxy. That was amazing, they played it like four times :) |
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Don't get me wrong, that Detroit Techno "sound" DID start in Detroit. They DID invent that "Detroit Techno" sound, I believe. However, they didn't use the techno term until the late 80s. I believe that they got that term from the Germans, since it was a German who invented the term "techno" to describe "futuristic" sounding music, and the Germans have been using the term since the early 1980s....Could the producers from Detroit have coincidentally thought up the term, years later? Maybe... I highly doubt it, though...I think that the term just simply filtered down to Detroit (by word of mouth), and Juan Atkins and crew liked the sound of the term "techno". Another FYI: Frankfurt, Germany was known and labeled as the Techno Capital of the World from the late 1980s to all through the 1990s. I believe that many still do label Frankfurt as the Techno Capital of the World. And yes. I still love Das Boot! :) |
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| Trance-MB |
Probably you also noticed back then in Germany no-one ever mentioned Detroit when talking about Techno. I think Detroit techno was older, don't ask me why, but it has little in common with the German techno we listened to. It wouldn't surprise me one appeared without knowing about the other, regardless of which one was first. But I think it's clear that Kraftwerk inspired both.
By the way, saying I was a Scooter fan back in the 90's starting with Cosmos wasn't helping a lot over here eighter... Hyper, hyper... :)
Over here in Holland most was called House in the early 90's, not even Techno. I live close to Aachen, sandwiched between Belgium and Germany.
I read your bio, very interesting and nice to have someone like you here. I think you were at the right place at the right time. |
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Thanks! Kind of you to say. :) I've been to Holland a few times, myself. The people know how to party, there! Do they still have that Escape (it used to be a theater, I think) club in Amsterdam? It was right next to another club called "It". We used to rock out at Escape, that club was awesome! Though, 1997 was the time time I went to Amsterdam. Oh, I loved Scooter's "Move Your Ass!" song. Still do. I have some other Scooter tunes on vinyl. |
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yep, Escape is still there, Snoop Dog had a party there in November I read. Never been there though, I preferred Belgium to go out in my clubbing days. :)
When you first came in Germany Westbam and Marusha were hot.
Must have be shocking for you to fall into this: :)
She was awesome :) |
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Marusha! I wish I could have been there! I did see at the 1998 Love Parade in Berlin! She rocked! Here's a video....I'm in there, somewhere.. :p
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| Xelebes |
| Ah yes, back when trance didn't drop out for no good reason. That's what bugged me about Dutch-era trance, the constant drops for no good reason. No DJs ever saw those drops as a good reason to fill in with another synth line to build upon it, just another 90 seconds of waiting for the buildup to finish. |
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