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| kosmotika |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
And the point that EchoSys is making is actually incredibly on point; As a newb here, you either realize that you don't know everything and get the way things truly work, or you get a hiding, can't take it, and leave.
I'm not saying this to be an arsehole - I have helped so many people over the years - we were all one at some point - it's that what the regulars see all too often is a fatal combination of an overblown sense of entitlement mixed with false knowledge. That does not fly around here and frankly it's healthy.
If you ever go to work in any pro studio, it's exactly like this but 1000 time worse.
The first thing you get taught is that you don't know and most likely what you think you know is wrong or at least only half boiled. The second thing you get taught is that you need to have a really tough skin and be able to take a joke, and certainly not take yourself at all seriously.
That is exactly like life in a real studio, in fact any workplace which is high pressure.
And although it's tough for some people, it's healthy as we don't know everything, and there's always someone better or more knowledgeable than you, but over time, you get the hang of things, you learn the real insights and actually how things work and then gradually there's less and less people that know more than you do, and at that point you actually know some .
Just look at things like the serato forums or audiophile/hifi forums - there's so much nonsense and misinformation on those forums that they aren't even worth accidentally clicking on to.
And granted, some people don't stick around, but there's been plenty of people who get how this place work and have stayed - just look at the join dates of many of the people in threads on the first page. There's actually only a handful of us who have been on here longer than say 5 years.
I hope you stick around, it's always good to have people who are passionate about what we're all in to, but learn how to deal and how to play ;) |
Well, as I've said, I've been on this site for several years. I just made the kosmotika account recently because that's the name I'm going to be working under for now. I can't even remember the name of my first account it was so many years ago.
I'm always open to new information; the only reason I know anything I do know is because I scoured every part of the web trying to find info on how to become better as mastering, mixing, etc. So maybe some of what I say is nonsense because I'm getting it from nonsense sources, but I really don't know the difference. If there's a tutorial on how to do something I'm interested in doing, I'll have a look at it and try to experiment with the information provided.
Any "advice" I give here is more or less just repeated from seeing it somewhere else...and a lot of the time, that info comes from TA!
I've definitely become a lot better than when I first started making trance exclusively in 2011...
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I by no means think I'm hot ; I don't like most of my work in comparison to just about anything I've got in my collection and to this day I spend a lot of time looking for new guides to help myself improve; ESPECIALLY on the mastering front.
I suppose all in all my hangup is that I want to stay away from producing "modern" sounding songs, but most of the information I can find is about that kind of sound... |
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| Storyteller |
| quote: | Originally posted by MSZ
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
A few months ago, some pepople (mainly less seasoned people) were saying like this place is dead and it's the end etc, with stagnant threads barely moving on the main page, but those of us who have stuck around for a while, know it's just the ebb and flow. |
Denial. |
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| TranceElevation |
| quote: | Originally posted by PaULiN0
I wouldn't be talking, you posted one track in the WIP thread everyone made fun of you and you never posted again which means you qualify. Your also new here and don't usually stick around when peeps mention your name. |
Damn Juanito, just when I thought you grew up you disappoint me.
I guess making 10 different alts didn't help you cleaning your image of a complete retard everyone is laughing at.
Guess what, now you got competition and MAYBE if you stay quite people will forgot about your constant fails and focus on your soul brother kosmotika.
That said, someone like you shouldn't be even talking about production. You've been posting and re-posting the same wip for an year or so and it still sounds like the theme for some nintendo game from back in the 90's. |
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| Richard Butler |
| quote: | Originally posted by kosmotika
I spend a lot of time looking for new guides to help myself improve; ESPECIALLY on the mastering front.
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Just my opinion but I don't think I'd ever be that good at mastering unless I was a dedicated pro doing it day in day out.
I have a test you 'all should try so as to see where your mastering is at; Stick one of your tracks through your TV, especially if it is surround sound. Decent pro tracks always sound good on my TV (played via the DVD player) whereas the last of mine I did this with sound bloody awful.
You can study tutorials forever like a cook can study recipe's but in the end some people just have that edge. If I think I have a worthwhile track I will get it mastered by a specialist. |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| I think it's a good idea to bring in someone else for the mixing/mastering process even if you are good at it yourself, because they can listen to the music with fresh ears and bring up things you wouldn't had thought of. You don't have to be good at everything - and very rarely anyone is. |
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| Richard Butler |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
You don't have to be good at everything - and very rarely anyone is.
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That a really good way of framing things and something I'm going to remember because I have one of those that feels he has to be good at all things and found it impossible. It's ok not to be a master of everything, yes, I like that.
One quote from Deadmau got me this idea you have to be a mastering expert, when he said you don't wanna hand your baby onto someone else, something like that. |
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| tehlord |
The way to be pro is to hire a mix engineer and a mastering engineer.
Like it's always been done. |
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| kosmotika |
Well, that's where I run into problems. I haven't got the money for pro mastering or anything like that, especially since I'm a believer in releasing nearly everything I make for free.
I once was in talks with a bigger label and they offered to master my stuff for free, so I sent something in to their guy. He absolutely butchered it, made it an earsplitting mess that sounded nothing like the original, so now I've decided I'm going to try and at least become decent at it so that I can still have that control over my work and continue releasing free stuff, so what Deadmau5 said is very true imo. |
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| TranceElevation |
| kosmotika, do you even know what is mastering? Give me a definition of it. |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by kosmotika
Well, that's where I run into problems. I haven't got the money for pro mastering or anything like that, especially since I'm a believer in releasing nearly everything I make for free.
I once was in talks with a bigger label and they offered to master my stuff for free, so I sent something in to their guy. He absolutely butchered it, made it an earsplitting mess that sounded nothing like the original, so now I've decided I'm going to try and at least become decent at it so that I can still have that control over my work and continue releasing free stuff, so what Deadmau5 said is very true imo. |
That's what you tend to get when someone offers to do for free.
And yeah, it's not really worth paying for mastering if you're sharing everything for free. I've never done it either. I just bounced the mixdowns back and forth with my production partner. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| If I have time. I prefer to master my own stuff. I take longer but I do a better job. And it find test last eq curve can make your stuff have some similarities which make it part of your style but only with styles. Of music were mastering is less about fitting a format. |
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