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| bliizard |
I always go back to an old project to try and finish it but as soon as I open it up. I just can't be bothered.
I'm on anti-depressants aswell. At the moment i'm doing voluntary work because i'm unemployed an since leaving college, i haven't really done much in these past 2 years...
Maybe your case might be depression aswell ? |
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| stewart.m |
| quote: | Originally posted by bliizard
I always go back to an old project to try and finish it but as soon as I open it up. I just can't be bothered.
I'm on anti-depressants aswell. At the moment i'm doing voluntary work because i'm unemployed an since leaving college, i haven't really done much in these past 2 years...
Maybe your case might be depression aswell ? |
same here been out of work for 9 years now and i find it hard to produce good music |
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| kosmotika |
Honestly, I'd ask this guy for feedback for that style you're working with...he likes this style a lot. Really nice guy, I'm sure he'd respond if you asked.
https://www.facebook.com/matthewjbentley |
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| DJ RANN |
There's been some good advice in this thread, especially from Dave and Sean about getting feedback. Music is a perspective subject, so get some perspective - in many cases, we need other people's perspective, especially when we're starting out or trying to understand ourselves as to who we are.
once you have that formed, you'll need other's input less, but at the beginning get as much as you can. I remember Sean getting some pretty ing harsh criticism, but look how far he's come.
One thing I will advise, stop worry about people "hammering out tracks in XXX short amount of time" - In my opinion, this one factor has damaged EDM more than anything else I can think of. It's not a ing race to finish as many tracks as possible, and you don't suck if you take a few months of hard grind to produce a finished track.
This is my post from another recent thread but I think it's on point:
| quote: | It took literally days to make a track, including using hardware samplers and midi sequencers and real instances of each an every synth you were going to use.Then you have to record the output of all of this to a multitrack medium and then mix that, then have it professionally mastered. Then after that a label would have to market and distribute it and actually pay you if it sold.
All a massive chain of quality control, which simply doesn't exist today.
You'd really have to work at it to make a track and that why so many of those tracks were so incredible (aside from the renaissance effect as I call where you have a group of talented people all feeding off each other's work which exponentially raises the bar both individually and collectively).
There was an interview recently with someone on ASOT (strangely enough) - I can't remember who it was but it was someone quite oldschool like JOOF or Chicane who was asked how EDM has changed over the years and why that period is considered golden. He said it was because "as a producer, you put out maybe a few tracks a year and they were a labor or love that you spent a lot, probably too much, time on". |
SO don't get hung up on the quantity. Focus on one track and try to get it to the end. If other ideas start popping in to the track that don't work, then you;re at a cross roads with two choices:
1, Follow that new choice and see it through, stripping out the original things that got you there, and make this the new track.
2, Save these other ideas as separate projects, stick to the one you were working on and revisit the news ones ONLY after you've finished the track in hand.
I used to only ever do (or suggest to others the second option) but over time I've learned sometimes you're going a different direction for a reason and it can be best to fly with the inspiration you get at a particular moment.
One time I was engineering for a well known score composer on a major international film release. We were all just chatting away between overdubs and he turned around at one point and said "This tune (the one we were working on) came so close to being the main theme for XXXXXXXXX Film (another major blockbuster), but this thing popped in to my head and I had to drop it and go with this one".
In hindsight, both those films and themes have become incredibly well known and you literally cannot hear either piece without instantly thinking of the respective film. It's actually amazing how close it cam to being another theme for either film.
But his point was, sometimes, you have to go where it leads you, even when you already have something that is great, but just make sure you keep them and use them appropriately.
@echosystem - I have to disagree with you about dreams and age making you realize you suck. Maybe I'm different, but without trying to sound incredibly narcissistic, I don't really suck at much, and just about everything you truly put your mind to, you can do.
For instance, I taught myself photoshop, indesign and illustrator to at least a semi professional level, where I can get paid pretty damn well if I wanted to do it as a day job. I can sell anything (and have done, from space on the back of till rolls, to bill board ad space, to pro audio equipment, to PR campiagns to major international brands etc), I started a business in a foreign land completely unrelated to my field of training or expertise and 3 years of hard graft later, it's flourishing and it's basically one of the top 5 in the country.
You can do anything you want to - age is nothing apart from a psychological barrier (of course, you got to be realistic, you aint gonna win a gold medal in the 100m sprint at age 40 unless you've trained all your life for it and get damn lucky in terms genes). |
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| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
@echosystem - I have to disagree with you about dreams and age making you realize you suck. |
When you're young, your mind is a sponge that will suck up anything you give it. That's a huge advantage. However, that's not really what I was getting at. As you get older, you start having to do more that you don't want to do. You have responsibilities. Responsibilities are the antithesis of dreams. You can always choose to neglect your responsibilities, but that's how you end up a 40 year old failboat with no career, assets or family. |
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| scorpradio |
I think it also comes down to what YOU want to do.
I have realized in my old age that there is no way in hell I am going to be able to make the EDM bandwagon and get rich..lol And that isn't even my intention.
So...what am I doing it for? Simple.. Me and myself alone.
Yet, I have a younger friend of mine who has a uncanny ability at sound design. His knowledge of the software he uses is superior to mine. However, he lacks arrangement and composition skills. He feels like he's at the tip end of not being able to make it. He and I are on opposite ends of the spectrum with this and it confuses me why it is so important for him to "make it".
Deep down it kinda pisses me off. I feel he is just being a tool,but hye...if someone is producing for the purpose of money and fame, that is their decision.
I, personally think its absurd. But you have to ask yourself first. What are YOU in it for? |
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| Julz |
| quote: | Originally posted by LoveHate
i appreciate the responses, i decided to make to make a snippet of two seperate tracks that i feel like are closer then they are ever going to be to being completed.
they are sort of all over the place as far as genre, i feel like the ideas are there, i just need to sculp it out more, all feedback will be appreciated,
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This really seems like a Demo for presets.
So many ideas and different elements [Some which are great]
I think you just need more direction in what you want the end product to sound like |
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| meriter |
| quote: | Originally posted by bliizard
Maybe your case might be depression aswell ? |
this is the big problem for me, getting inspired is tough but if i just force myself to open up the projects I surprise myself every time most of the time |
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by scorpradio
I think it also comes down to what YOU want to do.
I have realized in my old age that there is no way in hell I am going to be able to make the EDM bandwagon and get rich..lol And that isn't even my intention.
So...what am I doing it for? Simple.. Me and myself alone.
Yet, I have a younger friend of mine who has a uncanny ability at sound design. His knowledge of the software he uses is superior to mine. However, he lacks arrangement and composition skills. He feels like he's at the tip end of not being able to make it. He and I are on opposite ends of the spectrum with this and it confuses me why it is so important for him to "make it".
Deep down it kinda pisses me off. I feel he is just being a tool,but hye...if someone is producing for the purpose of money and fame, that is their decision.
I, personally think its absurd. But you have to ask yourself first. What are YOU in it for? |
But thing is, even if your not in for the money, that doesnt mean that making a track that you are satisfied with becomes any easier :)
You have to push yourself, really push yourself...... |
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| LoveHate |
| Yeah you guys are right I guess it was to mix and mashy I guess my attempt to keep the listener entertained all the way through needs some work, I mean the melodic elements come from the heart and some of the sounds are made by myself but you guys are right in the sense that i do use a few overused presets due to a lack of creativity at times when people ask what do you want out of this? I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to be touring the country playing my music behind two decks , and not to sound delusional like those contestants on the x facor but there's a part of me that still feels like I have something here. |
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| scorpradio |
| quote: | Originally posted by LoveHate
Yeah you guys are right I guess it was to mix and mashy I guess my attempt to keep the listener entertained all the way through needs some work, I mean the melodic elements come from the heart and some of the sounds are made by myself but you guys are right in the sense that i do use a few overused presets due to a lack of creativity at times when people ask what do you want out of this? I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to be touring the country playing my music behind two decks , and not to sound delusional like those contestants on the x facor but there's a part of me that still feels like I have something here. |
Then you have just said it...in so many words /grins
Keep grinding man, I know how you feel. And all I can do is take a step in the right direction each time. If every song I do something that I havent done and achieved it (whatever that may be) then I am learning and that is all I can ask for.
Try hitting up some tutorials on particular areas of your music you wish to improve on. And of course, these guys here on TA. They all have been very helpful in my growth |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| i think every great artist will say ubiquitously that they are their own worst critic. you are wasting your time asking people. They will say nice things are nothing at all. Finish it , then move on. |
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