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Racism in these forums (pg. 2)
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| Wicked Neo |
| quote: | Originally posted by ABTsportsline
i agree with your beliefs on racism is bad, however a discussion (when kept within the confines of outright bigotry) CAN be had in a civilized manner discussing racism problems around the world - as long as no racist remarks are made in the thread...
however i wouldn't put it past some genius to start posting words just to cause a dispute in here...
-ABT- |
werd ABT !
which has already happened by the way in the thread in this forum i just closed.
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| Maaz |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancaholic
Furthermore, if you are absolutely sure that it is wrong to be a racist, for example, then you ought to use your belief for helping others feel the same.
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The problem of discussing about racism is because someone who's racist won't really change his mind just because of something they read in forums. It's just like talking about religion: you'll hardly convince anyone about your ideas unless the person experiences something similar to what you're talking about (then life will have changed the person, not the words).
I used to have some prejudices myself because of the way I was raised, but life proved me wrong. This is not the kind of thing to be changed with words, but with time. And talking about it here may offend some people, that's why I think this issue could be avoided the way it was being held.
Racism should be discussed in general, not towards an specific group. That's what I'm talking about. Maybe I'm being radical, but the fact is that I was (obviously) offended by some words that I read here and I believe that this is not the purpose of the forums. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Maaz
The problem of discussing about racism is because someone who's racist won't really change his mind just because of something they read in forums. |
Which reminds me of this quote:
"A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still..."
Basically, people like that you can't even debate with and there's no point in taking it upon yourself to do so.
Unless they want to change, nothing else is going to change them.
I dunno what makes people like this?
To me, it inconceivable how some people act to others just because of skin tone, accent, looks etc, etc.
I've been called Chinese, Italian & Spanish and I have no such bloodlines (I'm French/Scottish/Native Indian if you must know; pretty much a Canuck...) but I don't let that bother me.
I NEVER judge a book by it's cover because essentially we all want the same things, have some of the same fears, bleed red, and in this corner of the internet, we all love Trance (why else would you be here? :p).
If it's one thing I have learned however, it's that if you have an opinion that might hurt others, keep it private.
The internet is just too convenient sometimes when someone can hide behind a monitor and type obsenities, totally oblivious to the fact instead of runing someone's day, they could be making someone's day.
Personally, I'll take the later, there's more gratification in that for me...;) |
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| Vanilla |
The problem with modern racism is that it isnt as outright blatant as it was in past times. This leaves a gray area that can be interpreted as racist by diffrent people. The diffrence in views is more of the problem, because today there are too many people willing to blow their horn about racism against them (or what they believe to be). ie calling a white guy a "cracker" CAN be racist, but there usually isnt any fuss made because it doesnt affect the individual. On the other hand when an colored ethnicity doesnt get the job after an interview, it's because the managment is racist. This could be possible, but more likely it's someone calling the racism card too quickly as is all too common nowadays. Now I dont support any prejiduces(sp?) but people are too sensitive nowadays. Someone can say something and you can make a big fuss over it, or let it slide. So next time it happens just think, they are only words of one person right, they dont affect you that much do they?
Please dont flame me. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vanilla
The problem with modern racism is that it isnt as outright blatant as it was in past times. This leaves a gray area that can be interpreted as racist by diffrent people. The diffrence in views is more of the problem, because today there are too many people willing to blow their horn about racism against them (or what they believe to be). ie calling a white guy a "cracker" CAN be racist, but there usually isnt any fuss made because it doesnt affect the individual. On the other hand when an colored ethnicity doesnt get the job after an interview, it's because the managment is racist. This could be possible, but more likely it's someone calling the racism card too quickly as is all too common nowadays. Now I dont support any prejiduces(sp?) but people are too sensitive nowadays. Someone can say something and you can make a big fuss over it, or let it slide. So next time it happens just think, they are only words of one person right, they dont affect you that much do they?
Please dont flame me. |
No, I think you're somewhat right.
People have to be very carefully what they say these days, because nowadays, there's this hair-triggered, kneejerked reaction to use racism as an excuse for things they can't control for themselves.
ie. Someone doesn't get a job and they think it's because of their ethnicity. Instead of having the guts to start their own business or move on, they'll brood about the issue and let someone else determine their fate, their lifestyle, their house, their car.
Even now, I think it's gotten to a point where people have become somewhat jaded about the whole rasism thing because too many lazy people have used this 'justification'.
People don't want to hire people who hide behind rasism.
They just want to know, 'Can you do the job?' and 'Am I going to have problems with this in the future?'.
And frankly, I have no love for lazy people...of any origin... |
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| ABTsportsline |
| see, this thread is exactly what i was talking about... a civilized conversation about racism, minus the one outlandish comment... maybe we should ban this thread? :p |
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| SynRG888 |
Haha yeah we shouldn't ban talking about racism, we should just ban flaming in general:D
Seriously though... racism comes in many forms these days, not like the institutional racism of before. Nowadays racism is much more a mindset.. everyone knows that it's frowned upon to be "racist" and that it's no longer socially acceptable, but yet it still exists.
True, people that have a set mindset won't change unless they want to, which is too bad but what are you gonna do? You can't fight hate with more hate. My beef is more with ignorance than with racism itself... educating yourself is the key IMO. "Matt" or "Katie" in Wisconsin (just an example, i lived there for 4 years) will find it very hard to shake the stereotype that all black ppl are thugs when they have never met a black person in their entire life and their only facet for experiencing black culture are rap videos. The question is then, if they truly think that this is true (all black ppl are thugs) and thus look down on them, can this kind of racist view be changed? Nowadays i don't think people just get up and decided to hate a group of people, there's always some kind of event or perpetuated stereotype that causes them to feel that way, like WWII veterans that still hate on Japanese ppl, or more recently, ppl hating on Arabs because of the actions of an extremist group that cannot possibly claim to represent the Islamic community of the World. I wish it didn't cost so much to travel places like overseas because I think if people just saw more of the world and didn't live in their own little bubbles people would be able to expand their minds more and understand where other groups of people are coming from instead of just holding everything to the standards of their own group, ya know? But hey, that's just what I think.
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| dj_nomiz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Maaz
The problem of discussing about racism is because someone who's racist won't really change his mind just because of something they read in forums. |
werd |
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| DJ-Lukeass |
| quote: | Originally posted by Maaz
The problem of discussing about racism is because someone who's racist won't really change his mind just because of something they read in forums. |
I know but i just hate racism all together
People that are racist to others should really think about what they are doing and how they are affecting other peoples lives
I'm glad there is no racism where i live!!!
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| King of Clubs |
| quote: | Originally posted by biznology
i can practice/annoy the Swedes with my language skills.
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You're not annoying anyone, you have mad skills biz!
I am totally against racism aswell. Judging people by their appearance rather than by their actions is so wrong I wouldnt know where to start. |
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| trancaholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by Maaz
The problem of discussing about racism is because someone who's racist won't really change his mind just because of something they read in forums.
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Agreed. I probably should have structured my post in a sensible manner, but as I wrote it, the part after "On another note" was meant to apply to real life, whereas the first part was specific for this forum.
Vanilla: I agree with you. |
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| Mikrop |
Why not generalise this topic to include discrimination of any sort. Including what styles of music, which dj's, etc... ppl enjoy... Having said that, if I have an opinion on something, should I not be able to share it on a forum where it's supposed to be open discussion?
I would also like to add that it's a two way street:
If a group of ppl (with similar interests, ethnicity or whatever) alienate themselves from the surrounding community, I think that it automatically creates a barrier between the two groups. Once created, this barrier is almost impossible to break down unless a major change of the social structure in that community occurs. But then there's the catch 22 situation of who makes the first move in breaking down the barrier. Therefore, when you think about it, it all boils down to pride. So, no matter where we are, or what we are doing, there will always be some sort of prejudice against one froup or other, it's just the way it is. It isn't nice, but people should just build a bridge and continue to live their lives by ignoring the prejudices against them. It doesn't mean they are defenseless or giving up. It means that they are strong enough to take whatever comes their way into their stride and move along with their lives.
Thankfully, I don't remember ever being flamed on these forums, but seeing the plight of others just pisses me off sometimes. |
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