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a question about the dance music scene (pg. 2)
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| Godking5 |
As for the original question. Depends on the club owner and the goal. It is very comparable to a social platform or new internet community. You can let everyone easily join fr the sake of developing traction but at the same time, wit no curation model in place, the quality of the place will start to plummet. Or you can curate the door with policies and individual discretion. This includes barriers of entry like dress codes, age limits, whatever. The plus side is you limit saturation and preserve high quality but at the same your not letting certain people in who may deserve to be there.Of course too many barriers of entry will reduce the quality of the experience too because its a ghost town
As ed up as the african american comment is, its mostly true. i worked at a club as security when I was in college over the summer. The owner wouldnt be so blatant about it though. It was more along the lines of " dont let anyone in who is not wearing pants, has baggy jeans, extra large shirts, bandannas, guys with too much jewelry, etc". All of this seemed legitimate, but then i noticed that african americans who passed the clothing guidelines were still denied access based on some made up b.s by the doorman. |
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| Godking5 |
| I dont mind the current model though. Clubs will subsidize the experience of popular people and girls because they attract the audience most willing to spend money i.e guys spend money trying to hook up with babes or fans . Charge them extra because they are price insensitive mostly. |
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| OrangestO |
| You fellas totally missed the underlying point of my question, lol. |
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| Godking5 |
| that being said that african american comment isnt generalizable to all parts of the country or world. Just anecdotal and specific to the environment i bounced in when I was younger. |
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| Godking5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Robotrance
what irritates me is that racism is all fine as long as its not about the blacks. we are all put in stereotypes. but some are more sensitive about it, yes history allow them too but still. it was not a personal statement i came with i am very easy going on the matter, but im not a fan of blocking freedom of speech because it can be a little too sensitive for some. the truth is what i said, then its up to us all to try to fix it. |
wrong, racism or bigotry is never fine acceptable. Not sure what point you are trying to make here. People are still sensitive about it because it still persists to even this day |
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| Godking5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by OrangestO
You fellas totally missed the underlying point of my question, lol. |
No i think i understand, correct me if im wrong, its supposed to be a parallel to the dance music scene and its recent growth. And would we want everyone to experience and enjoy it or if would prefer it to stay to ourselves and hoard all the fun. Is this right ? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by OrangestO
You fellas totally missed the underlying point of my question, lol. |
Yes, I know I was deliberately obtuse, but your question is flawed and not really applicable to reality. To answer your question, I don't believe in selective door policies. They don't really exist in the UK, or at least I've never seen anyone be denied access to a club (and by that I mean a venue hosting a bonafide dance music event, not your local Saturday night twat-pit) for any reason other than being underage, abusive or overly wrecked.
But it's a mistake to really assume that any club that is "underground" should have to have a restrictive door policy. Underground promoters struggle to avoid losing money at every event. If an event is underground, the fact that people know it exists and have turned up is a good filter in itself. Even if it's a busy night and the promoter pockets a tidy sum after paying the venue and the DJs, they might well lose all that money at the next event.
This debate rages more with world-famous superclubs like Berghain and Fabric, where so many people want to get in just on name association that there is this dilemma - do you turn people away based on superficial judgement, or let everyone who can pay in and have your crowd and your vibe diluted by clueless tourists? Neither solution is ideal. But Berghain and Fabric are not underground in the slightest. Despite what pretences they might put on, they're still superclubs. And even then it's not really about letting a "few" people in or "as many as you could", because these clubs are going to let thousands of people in every night anyway, it's just about which thousand.
EDIT: And if this is some grand allegory for dance music as a whole, then let everyone in. Just keep the kids in the main room and don't start playing their music in the sweat pit side room I'm dancing in. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Robotrance
as i said above thats because there are only one stereotype in UK and theres no way to discinct these toothless skinnhead fotballers from each other. the rest of the world isnt working like that. |
You're palm, aren't you? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| I thought as much. So we can put black people and the British next to Muslims and women in general on the ever growing list of social groups you've shown bitter contempt towards. |
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| OrangestO |
| quote: | Originally posted by Godking5
No i think i understand, correct me if im wrong, its supposed to be a parallel to the dance music scene and its recent growth. And would we want everyone to experience and enjoy it or if would prefer it to stay to ourselves and hoard all the fun. Is this right ? |
Yea, basically.
The 'club' is obviously a microcosm of the scene.
If you could have the 'old' scene back at the cost of its recent growth and popularity, would you?
Or is letting people in on the big secret and this resulting 'new' scene good enough? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Robotrance
im super humble and very social accepting dude. |
Yes, this thread has certainly demonstrated that. |
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| OrangestO |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
This debate rages more with world-famous superclubs like Berghain and Fabric, where so many people want to get in just on name association that there is this dilemma - do you turn people away based on superficial judgement, or let everyone who can pay in and have your crowd and your vibe diluted by clueless tourists? Neither solution is ideal. But Berghain and Fabric are not underground in the slightest. |
Well, it truly sucks for people who aren't clueless tourists but traveling wonderers who want to visit the club (talking Berghain here from experience). I tried to get in once when I was in Berlin - didn't. There was so much else going on I didn't really give a , but it's somewhat 'ed up' that someone who is so engulfed in the music can't even get in a place like that to hear and dance to it. Sort of felt slighted a bit, but good thing Berlin can immediately turn that frown upside down. Judging people and turning them away is everything this scene is supposed to stand against, no? Whatevs. |
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