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Why Big Room "House" Music Sucks (pg. 3)
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| Dj Pluviose |
The newer people get tired of their music really easily. Avicii already said he's tired of levels and the entire scene is saturated and losing its originality, and some other people like Martin Garrix said he was extremely bored of his radio hit Animals.
Diplo also came out and said the big room house movement is saturated.
So we can at least get an idea of how memory it could be for the masses. The masses will always be looking for the next cool, big hip thing anyway.
Perhaps once they get really bored of their music, they'll dig back into some old school EDM even far before the gateway trance era. |
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| kosmotika |
Well vocals have always been used throughout trance...one of the most famous vocal trance tunes, Taylor - Anomaly (Calling Your Name) was released way back in 95...
I can see some people may be frustrated with "anthem trance" as a whole because before then trance never really had a defining sound. Comparing tracks from 1992 to 1995 to 1997 to 1999 etc there's a huge range of styles and sounds used, all under the simple umbrella label "trance." The supersaw anthems were the first thing to really catch and become somewhat of a defining thing for the genre, eventually becoming a cliche in itself. Seems there aren't many trance songs produced from 2003 onward that doesn't have some melodramatic supersaw arpeggio, so for that, I can see why someone would hold contempt for the genre as a whole, because it virtually erased all creativity for many trance producers and DJs. But the earlier stuff in the genre, such as the songs in the video, were genuine and made people move. Let's not forget that ultimately trance is dance music afterall...a fact that sadly seems lost among newer artists. |
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| AlphaStarred |
Trance should be divided into two categories: Trance and Hard Trance. All these other prefixes are nonsensical and only confuse people. Keep it simple.
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| Syntonic |
| quote: | Originally posted by AlphaStarred
Trance should be divided into two categories: Trance and Hard Trance. All these other prefixes are nonsensical and only confuse people. Keep it simple.
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Agreed, and lol. Once you divide something up, it becomes fragmented and unrecognizable...a lesser form. |
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| Johan (DJ Irish) |
| quote: | Originally posted by kosmotika
Well vocals have always been used throughout trance...one of the most famous vocal trance tunes, Taylor - Anomaly (Calling Your Name) was released way back in 95...
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Yes but it was cheese back then as well. Just because it was released 20 years ago doesn't make it less so. Don't get me wrong I have enjoyed my share of that stuff over the years but the introduction of singing vocals into trance(not just the use of movie samples and such) have always been with the intent of getting a much broader appeal such as chart success, breaking into manistream etc
I'm not saying any of this is necessarily wrong, just that I don't think the intent and purposes of those tracks differ that much from today's EDM productions. And I definitely don't think they have any more integrity.
Just as today, they used all the genre conventions of the time to appeal to a market as large as possible |
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| Kilixpree |
| I can't understand why you guys are complaining about... VOCAL. Only a few cheesy anthem tracks played in this ty video are vocal (the great majority are just cheesy fluffy stuff). Also, at least he don't played any gouryella track. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by kosmotika
But the earlier stuff in the genre, such as the songs in the video, were genuine and made people move. |
If I skip randomly through that video I can barely even distinguish from the footage which era is which. It's all huge cavernous arenas full of idiots holding their arms in the air whilst some mega-DJ stands in front of huge visuals. This isn't people "moving". This isn't a dark sweaty club full of people dancing with each other and not even paying attention to the DJ, wherever he is. These ridiculous trance arena gigs were derided even at the time for being circus shows, and they are very obviously the template for the modern "EDM" experience. Cry your eyes out about mean, snobby hipsters all you want, this video is a complete joke. |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by AlphaStarred
That is probably true, but that's why it actually makes for a good comparison. The pop Trance of yesteryear will probably be far more memorable than the pop EDM of today. Maybe not. Maybe it's partly nostalgia, again, and years from now the kids of today will have nostalgia for the Dubstep drop. We'll see.
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It's 100% nostalgia. The only people who even remember pop trance of yesteryear are us. |
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| Paradox Lost |
There has always been a pop continent of dance music, and no, it wasn't necessarily the Dutch trance machine that people were deriding as pop dance at the time. I'm talking about acts like iiO, 4 Strings, Ian Van Dahl, Kaskade, etc; people who produced music for the sole purpose of radio airtime and popular consumption.
A trance banger like "Suburban Train"- for all its bombast- really isn't pop at all, and neither was most of the other stuff Tiesto and company were playing ten years ago. Ten minute runtimes and two minute breakdowns aren't very radio friendly musical features. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| That's why radio edits exist. Suburban Train had a 3:25 edit and reached #22 in the UK single charts. |
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| Paradox Lost |
| Okay, well, in America even the most successful trance cuts would just languish in the 'Electronica' section at Tower Records. |
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| kosmotika |
| quote: | Originally posted by Johan (DJ Irish)
Yes but it was cheese back then as well. Just because it was released 20 years ago doesn't make it less so. Don't get me wrong I have enjoyed my share of that stuff over the years but the introduction of singing vocals into trance(not just the use of movie samples and such) have always been with the intent of getting a much broader appeal such as chart success, breaking into manistream etc
I'm not saying any of this is necessarily wrong, just that I don't think the intent and purposes of those tracks differ that much from today's EDM productions. And I definitely don't think they have any more integrity.
Just as today, they used all the genre conventions of the time to appeal to a market as large as possible |
Well, sure you have a point...I guess I separate commercial and cheese. Kate Ryan's "Scream For More" is a track I enjoy, it's a genuine attempt to be a good vocal trance tune and in my opinion is fairly enjoyable...then I listen to something like Dee Dee or Milk Inc with all those corny lyrics and such and it just reeks of blatant consumerism (though these acts did generate a fair amount of good remixes!)
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
If I skip randomly through that video I can barely even distinguish from the footage which era is which. It's all huge cavernous arenas full of idiots holding their arms in the air whilst some mega-DJ stands in front of huge visuals. This isn't people "moving". This isn't a dark sweaty club full of people dancing with each other and not even paying attention to the DJ, wherever he is. These ridiculous trance arena gigs were derided even at the time for being circus shows, and they are very obviously the template for the modern "EDM" experience. Cry your eyes out about mean, snobby hipsters all you want, this video is a complete joke. |
It's up close when you can really tell; for example during the video of Ferry Corsten, when it goes close to the crowd you'll see folks absolutely losing their . Steve Aoki's video, you've got people more or less standing with their hands in the air or doing a little bounce in place. Raves with DJs on a front stage were nothing new here, they'd always been a thing in major dance events...Mayday, Nature One, Dance Valley, etc the DJ was always up front on a big stage with bright flashing lights. For big events this has always been the way, it just wasn't an extremely common thing for the DJs to stand posing like Jesus with smug grins while doing heart hands and dragging all the attention to themselves yet. |
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