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Are you doing your own mixing and mastering? (pg. 4)
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rjen
Thanks. It was very difficult to make that bass. I really wanted to have that bass you hear on record labels such as Drumcode. The original was even a bit warmer. But that made the mix of the song a bit more muddy. The record label balanced this more nicely then the original. Like I said, This is one of the few tracks that I can hear the record label did improve it when they mastered it. Because the original had a lot of low and a lot of high. But far less mid. Btw this is also a good tip when you master a track. When you listen to your song in a player like winamp. Look at the spectral analyser. A perfect mix would be that all the bars of the spectral analyser are equally balanced. (that they all reach the top for example) It also helps if you find a similar song. For example I compared my track to a song released by label drumcode. Because they are known to have a lot low end. Then I look at the spectrum analyser of that song in winamp. And then I looked at mine and compared the too. Its not a golden rule or anything that everything has to reach the top and be perfectly balance. But that is why comparing it to a similar song helps. Oh I forgot to mention one important thing about mastering. The stereo balance always have to sound even. It is wrong if your left speaker is louder then your right. You also should consider the fact that most sound systems in clubs. Are actually mono. So I always test my song if it still sounds good in mono as it does in stereo. If you have like crazy stereo effects where you automate panning. Then this might not sound nice or weird in mono. Perhaps you hardly hear curtain sounds at all. Very important thing to keep in mind! |
if you wanna make a track like one on Drumcode, just make it loud.
LOUD LOUD LOUD LOUD LOUD.
Loudness is the key, dont worry so much about the content of the track or if anyone will remember it in 2 weeks time. |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rjen
He asked me what kind of stuff I was using because he thought that my mixes/masters. Sounded a bit computer like. (meaning it lacked the warmth of real analog gear) Now I don't use analog gear. Its all done by computer. But still this remark haunted me. So I tried to work on this.
So if you guys would like to give your opinion if my latest song sound less computer like and more analog. I would really appreciate it. |
No. Your new track also sounds very "computer-like" and your sound will always continue to sound computer-like if you're using digital/software. The only way to make your sound analog is to use analog equipment. End of story. This is why I always say analog > digital/software (particularly in the Techno realm, but pretty much everywhere, really).
However. I've heard some good stuff done on Ableton (in the Tekno sphere, generally) but it was generally a combination of hardware (e.g. x0xb0x) and software (Ableton).
I think you can definitely benefit from incorporating some hardware into your setup.
If you're looking for a bargain, I highly recommend you check out this product: http://www.vintagesynth.com/korg/emx1.php
Many producers, famous and not-so-famous, used and continue to use this machine. Many of their tracks were released on vinyl, and it's a good and powerful machine, and not very expensive, either.
A brief description:
"Starting with its synth engine, the EMX-1 uses MMT synthesis (Multi Modeling Technology) which offers sixteen different oscillator algorithms, providing powerful analog synthesis models as well as sophisticated additive, PCM, chord, unison, combination, wave shaping, formant models and more.
The two Vacuum tubes (Valve Force Circuitry) create an analog tube circuit to add warmth and presence to your sounds. The tube gain knob adjusts the level of the output signal passing through the vacuum tubes, creating dynamic sounds with the distinctive tonal quality that only tubes deliver." |
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| cryophonik |
| There's an entire subforum and a dedicated thread for getting feedback. You'll probably have better luck there and we can keep this thread on-topic, rather than using it for our self-promotion or another useless analog-vs-digital debate. |
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
There's an entire subforum and a dedicated thread for getting feedback. You'll probably have better luck there and we can keep this thread on-topic, rather than using it for our self-promotion or another useless analog-vs-digital debate. |
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| Rjen |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
There's an entire subforum and a dedicated thread for getting feedback. You'll probably have better luck there and we can keep this thread on-topic, rather than using it for our self-promotion or another useless analog-vs-digital debate. |
Ok then I will drop the subject and delete the song from soundcloud to avoid self promotion. |
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| Raphie |
Rjen, you're only 20 kilometers away from me. :)
But your tracks do sound very digital quite some room for improvement |
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| Rjen |
| quote: | Originally posted by evo8
if you wanna make a track like one on Drumcode, just make it loud.
LOUD LOUD LOUD LOUD LOUD.
Loudness is the key, dont worry so much about the content of the track or if anyone will remember it in 2 weeks time. |
Hmmm ok. I think you are in a minority of thinking that. Since drumcode has more beatport top 10 hits then any other record label I have ever encountered. so apparently there are some people that like it. |
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| AlphaStarred |
You asked for feedback and I gave it to you. Your track sounds very "computer-like."
I'd like to see you try and recreate an analog techno track from the 90's using only software. I'd like to hear a single digital/software emulator of a 303 that sounds like its analog counterpart. No such thing.
Don't take my word for it. The guys from the Binary Bassline label, (Mr. Gasmask) himself said that if you want trax to sound like they were made in the early 90s, you gotta only use gear that was available in the early 90s. This is why many tracks being released today have that "oldschool feel," because they use analog gear.
Not saying using software is wrong or necessarily bad, but most of the time, if not always, your tracks will not have that analog feel.
| quote: | Originally posted by Rjen
Ok then I will drop the subject and delete the song from soundcloud to avoid self promotion. |
What does deleting your song from Soundcloud have to do with this sbuject, lol? Soundcloud is for sharing music and self-promotion, nothing wrong with that. |
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| Rjen |
| quote: | Originally posted by evo8
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I deleted the post I made. I apologise. |
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| Rjen |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
Rjen, you're only 20 kilometers away from me. :)
But your tracks do sound very digital quite some room for improvement |
oh where practically neighbours then. Groeten uit Almere Haven.
But thanks for your opinion. I will work on it. (or I was already working on it) |
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| Raphie |
Rjen, production forum here is a little family, by far not as massive as gearslutz or other forums. We all know eachother quite well and for a long time. We more or less have our code of conduct which we all obey to. You can't know everything as a noob, but it's generally a good thing to follow up advise from veterans. Then you will fit in quite nice.
Quite some big names have been active members here and some still linger around under aliases or just reading. Don't use the production section for shameless self promotion. Don't assume you're around noobs, the best in the business might be reading with you.
We have a feedback work in progress topic for our family and there is a promotion subforum for dumping all Beatport releases and latest sondcloud farts.
The avg level is high here, we're not easily impressed :D |
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