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Muiltband Compression on the Master (pg. 2)
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| Innocence Lost |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Euginamusic
@DJ RANN thanks for your reply I got reading the older post you provided the link to but they seem to be talking about normal compression.
This post was more aimed the use of multiband compression on the master.
It just seems to glue everything together so much better as it reacts differently to different freq bandwidths.
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Well multiband compression is just compressing different frequency bands - it's essentially the same thing, just dealing with with compression on the basis of it's frequency.
The pont is about mixing in to a compressor, and the same adage applies whether you're doing it with a multiband or not. If anything, multiband compressors in the capacity you're talking about, is even more the domain of a mastering engineer so again, if you have to ask the question, you really shouldn't be doing it.
| quote: | Originally posted by that Pikey
If you make a distinction between mixing and mastering which I don't think you have to, then yes, a multiband serves no purpose other than to fix things you fix at earlier stages.
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I think you should make the distinction though; Mastering costs less than a martini these days so why bohter trying to fudge it yourself? Especially when there's a danger that you might be missing things in the mix as you go because you're mixing in to a mastering chain.
And if you submit to a label and they don't like the master and say "could you just remove that compressor on the master" then you'll end up more ed than dropping a rohypnol on your way to pride.
| quote: | Originally posted by that Pikey
But other than a particular perspective and skill set, mastering today is mixing sent to a bus which could be done in the mix.
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True, but that's why I say you really have to know what you're doing, as if you know what you're missing by putting it on your chain vs not.
It's like that score engineer we both know who can mix in stereo on a 5.1 setup. He knows so innately how everything in stereo should sound that his brain can compensate for the incorrect placement of the speakers (and a discrete sub) in the 5.1 configuration.
If you know exactly what it will sound like without it, then that's the point that you mix with it. |
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| soulstar606 |
| i use mbcomps on the master.... |
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| DJ RANN |
| lol, it, just slap Ozone on the master and profit. |
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| Evolve140 |
| Keep fighting the good fight, Rann! |
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| Euginamusic |
This quote from Armin sums it up pretty well
Although a lot of electronic music producers seem tempted to master their own tracks, Armin is cagey about following this trend. "I'm too insecure about it,” he admits, "so I leave it up to a mastering engineer.” He's also disinclined to mix through mastering‑style multi‑band processors. "The problem with multi‑band compression over the main outputs is that it usually clogs up the mix very fast. I get sent lots of promos, and now all these kids are using multi‑band compression to get their music to sound like my radio show. But that goes through a broadcast compressor, and if you heard it that way in a club you'd walk out of the club a half hour later screaming because there's no dynamics in there. It's really important to have some dynamics left.
"So we don't really use compression in that way. If we use a compressor we use it for sound design rather than for the overall mix. For example, I really like the Wave Arts multi‑band dynamics plug‑in — you can put some little noise in there and it really pulls out a lot of information. Using compression to create the ducking effect on a bass line is really important too, to give the kick drum and the bass space. We do a lot of side‑chaining.” |
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| DJ RANN |
You know that'a actually a good point that most people forget; When you listen to radio shows or podcasts, you're hearing broadcast compression - not real compression of the tracks. The Octo compressors they use for a radio have a serious ratio, and unless you're doing it for artistic effect, you'd never do that to you track.
If you did, if it ever got played on radio, it would go through another round of compression which will sound even worse once it ends up as a soundcloud stream or lossy 128 mp3. Nice.
Produce for clubs. That's why the call it dance music after all. |
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| Innocence Lost |
| Whoa I gave it a try, i'm def keeping it there. Everything is like glued togethar. Is there a specific compressor for master channels? |
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| TranceElevation |
| Myabe "The Glue" from Cytomic. I'd like to hear some opinions on it. |
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| Innocence Lost |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceElevation
Myabe "The Glue" from Cytomic. I'd like to hear some opinions on it. |
But I need some thing like super glue..and 250 an up. |
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| MSZ |
| Does it sound good > proceed. Being open and trying new things, comparing results is the best way to go on about it imo. The best part about making music is that there are no rules. A lot of people go on about with complex master mixing chains, and there are some that use nothing, some just a limiter. |
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Robotrance
can someone tell me whats the point of master compression again?
thanks. |
if you mean full band master bus compression then it can make the track seem more glued together and pump as the kick will drive the compressor, its very easy to over-do it tho |
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