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Anyone read "what ISIS really wants" by Graem Wood in the recent Atlantic Magazine?
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| Spacey Orange |
http://www.theatlantic.com/features...y-wants/384980/
Highly recommend it to anyone interested in currewnt events, news, history, politics, etc.
TLDR: ISIS wants the world to return to the 6th century and bring about the end of the world. The real Islam is a religion full of bad ideas. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| I don't know why some people are so eager to stress that Islam is "full of bad ideas". Let's say we discount all the factors that go into making some Muslims extremists and the majority not. Let's just say that Islam is full of bad ideas. What then? |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I don't know why some people are so eager to stress that Islam is "full of bad ideas". |
My simple guess is that simplistic narratives of an intrinsically evil Other are much easier for most people to comprehend than more accurate, multi-causal explanations. It's nice and easy to think the whole thing is rotten and needs to be destroyed, even if that's not accurate. Like most things in life, I suppose.
As to 'what then,' I really have never heard an intelligent proposition from those who consider Islam to be full of bad ideas. If it's really fully bad, then I suppose we ought to declare a war against it and attempt to eradicate it. However the they propose we do that, without touching on genocide, leaves me at a loss. |
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| DJ RANN |
The Islamic religion was created and based on a time when certain things made sense for the survival, social structures and environment of it's followers in the first Millennium. As with all religions, they serve a purpose and fill a need at the time.
That time for the modern world has passed and while most other organized religions allowed themselves to be diluted/eroded over time, Islam put in place things that would stop this erosion; no likenesses of the prophet (he remains sacred and therefore cannot be mocked or humanized), the all (Islam) or nothing stance in relation to other religions, the strict sociopolitical laws inherent to Islam, etc.
In it's conservative form, everyone outside of Islam is an enemy. I don't say this to antagonize - the Quran is clear on this - there are 109 verses in the book that call followers to war against non-believers to sustain Islamic rule.
I have a lot of Muslim friends, most of whom are extremely moderate, dress completely western, drink occasionally, have wealth etc, and they will tell you that they abhor the extremism within their religion, but were they start getting really vague and struggle to answer, is when you start talking about separation of Church and state - religion and law.
This is Islam's worst idea and why Islam will always be at odds with anywhere that does not want to follow Islamic law. It made sense in 800ad when you needed a common rule of law and a way to unite disparate tribes. It's a terrible idea to attempt to apply medieval law to the modern world.
This current conflict is really about power. The clerics at the center of the extremist movement are consolidating power. Islamic state is nothing more than a great marketing tool to unite different tribes under one banner, with one common enemy. And it's working because the enemy is happy to spend our taxes "defending peace". |
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| Spacey Orange |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I don't know why some people are so eager to stress that Islam is "full of bad ideas". Let's say we discount all the factors that go into making some Muslims extremists and the majority not. Let's just say that Islam is full of bad ideas. What then? |
convert them to a less evil religion. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| Are you being serious? |
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| DJ RANN |
| He's trolling you. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| In the case of Spacey Orange it's terrifyingly plausible that he means it. |
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| Lews |
| I'm honestly pretty sure he means it. |
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| DJ RANN |
| There's no way. He must be trolling. |
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| Jon_Snow |
| Playing devil's advocate, if you can convert rice why not islamic terrorists? |
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