I admit the two genres have grown on me as of late. But I notice a lot of old school people still seem to despise them. Generally the genres have the underpinnings of Drum & Bass, Breaks, and Hip Hop, so I am curious why the hate?
Is it the people/kids/bros associated with the music? Is the music just for kids? Is the music simple and annoying?
DJ RANN
For Dubstep, All of it. For me at least, it was interesting for the first couple of times I heard it, and there were certainly some people doing cool things in temrs of engineering and producing but beyond that I realized very quickly that it's music for people with intense ADD and dare I risk a flaming, those with little understanding of music.
Musically speaking, a lot of it is based around aesthetic, and the problem with any genre of that ilk is that it gets old, really quick. Everyone starts doing the same thing, the same tricks, and before you know it you've got people in and outside of the genre mocking certain overplayed sounds (see Modern Talking for more info).
For me the fundamental problem is that i get bored of the base rhythm. It's the same with breaks; I loved breaks every so often but after half an hour, I'm always wishing for it to move on.
Then I think the other problem were the people and the scene; clubs packed with the hipster equivalent of the 2000's candy ravers, all sardined in to a ty warehouse (you know, cos we're underground innit) while the wave one arm up and down with two fingers pointing down.
Then there was the incredibly quick commercialization; there's a lot for haters for Skrillex but you got to give it to him for making the first few big tracks, but he certainly didn't waste any time milking it or prepping his grammy speech. Oh and the whole grammy performance thing was cringeworthy. But then again, he's laughing all the way to the bank.
As for Trap, it's just a bastardization of hiphop for me and certainly lacking the soul - I really find it so two dimensional and reliant on a sound for the attraction. It basically has so little content other than aesthetic that it will die as quickly as it sprang up.
Woony
Dubstep was interesting around 2007-2010 but then everyone making the interesting stuff either jumped ship or became lame. There'll probably be some sort of renaissance in the future, but the for the best few years it's just been really lame.
SYSTEM-J
To be honest I barely hear either of them these days. In the UK it definitely seems to be "deep house" that is winning the hearts and minds of kids.
Mr Game+Watch
Anybody remember the early, pre-Skrillex/pre-brostep days of dubstep? Artists like Loefah and Mala and the DMZ label? I was never a fan myself but I'm wondering if there are whole groups of people who still listen to that religiously, cursing Skrillex from ing that all up?
SYSTEM-J
Of course. Apparently there are already throwback nights to that early sound. A lot of interesting music came out of dubstep, but even that early sound never really worked as dance music for me. I never really found a comfortable groove when I heard it out.
Trance-M
I never understood why people enjoyed it that much, but I was very convinced it wouldn't last for long.
Except for some cool tracks it irritated me quickly too.
Not much I can add to what DJ Rann and Jay said.
MR STROKE
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Originally posted by DJ RANN
very quickly that it's music for people with intense ADD and dare I risk a flaming, those with little understanding of music.
Musically speaking, a lot of it is based around aesthetic, and the problem with any genre of that ilk is that it gets old, really quick. Everyone starts doing the same thing, the same tricks, and before you know it you've got people in and outside of the genre mocking certain overplayed sounds (see Modern Talking for more info).
Couldn't we say the same thing about Trance or Techno? They both have builds, similar sounds and all sound very repetitive. (Granted its not as easy listening and as current Dubstep/Trap) When minimal got popular there for a bit, that sound got old Fast. It was very much the "same guys doing the same tricks"
Mr.Mystery
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
To be honest I barely hear either of them these days. In the UK it definitely seems to be "deep house" that is winning the hearts and minds of kids.
This image only shows Beatport sales, but that trend seems to be quite clear:
w0nderl@nd
Pretty much anything that gets popular and over-saturated...it turns into an ugly three-headed monster. I still don't get the Trap thing, but I've never been into hiphop.
MR STROKE
Seandroid
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Originally posted by DJ RANN
For Dubstep, All of it. For me at least, it was interesting for the first couple of times I heard it, and there were certainly some people doing cool things in temrs of engineering and producing but beyond that I realized very quickly that it's music for people with intense ADD and dare I risk a flaming, those with little understanding of music.
Musically speaking, a lot of it is based around aesthetic, and the problem with any genre of that ilk is that it gets old, really quick. Everyone starts doing the same thing, the same tricks, and before you know it you've got people in and outside of the genre mocking certain overplayed sounds (see Modern Talking for more info).
For me the fundamental problem is that i get bored of the base rhythm. It's the same with breaks; I loved breaks every so often but after half an hour, I'm always wishing for it to move on.
Then I think the other problem were the people and the scene; clubs packed with the hipster equivalent of the 2000's candy ravers, all sardined in to a ty warehouse (you know, cos we're underground innit) while the wave one arm up and down with two fingers pointing down.
Then there was the incredibly quick commercialization; there's a lot for haters for Skrillex but you got to give it to him for making the first few big tracks, but he certainly didn't waste any time milking it or prepping his grammy speech. Oh and the whole grammy performance thing was cringeworthy. But then again, he's laughing all the way to the bank.
As for Trap, it's just a bastardization of hiphop for me and certainly lacking the soul - I really find it so two dimensional and reliant on a sound for the attraction. It basically has so little content other than aesthetic that it will die as quickly as it sprang up.
It disappoints me to read this from you. You're being extremely ignorant. The ONLY reason you feel this way is because you've decided that you don't like the genre. It's massively absurd for you to suggest that people who enjoy/produce dubstep have little understanding of music. What on earth makes you think that?
You literally just jumped to the first thing that everyone everywhere says about genres of music they don't like. "That all sounds the same." It's based on an aesthetic? Man, oh man. Come on. Every single genre of music is based on an aesthetic, that's what makes it a genre.
You do not listen to dubstep, and therefore you are only subjected to the surface level tracks that manage to gather mainstream attention.
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I could literally go on forever. If you don't like the tempo of dubstep, fine, that's great, hate dubstep, but you've picked short-sighted, insulting and ignorant reasons to hate on the genre. It doesn't all sound the same more than any other genre of dance music. And while yes, you can ABSOLUTELY find a bunch of dubstep tracks that sound exactly the same as each other, you can DEFINITELY do that for trance, for house and all of its varieties, country music, classic rock, pop music, hip hop...
I just. You are normally at least somewhat open minded, I feel, and I feel like you're making a fool out of yourself with that comment. I know nobody will agree with me here, because everyone jumped on the same bandwagon you did, but like. Come on. Just try like. The tiniest bit.
It's massively annoying to me that people are like this on this forum. I just don't get it. You don't have to pick sides. I like trance, I like dubstep, I like house, I like deep house, I like tech house, I like breaks, I like electro house, I like drum and bass, I like moombahton, I like pop, I like rock, I like alternative, I like hip hop, I like trap, I like classical music, and while I pretend I don't most of the time, I even like some country.
No, these and other genres are not equally represented in my iTunes library. But I am not going to go on an insulting diatribe about any of them. There are amazing things to appreciate about every genre of music... There seems to be this massively stupid assumption that fans of dance music have to be fans of the one genre they decide to champion. Aguuughhhhhhhhhhhh.
