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Desktop Vinyl Cutter gets funded
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| DJ RANN |
These clevver Aussies managed to reach their funding target and now the machine is going in to production. They hope for it to be sub $3k and and they manage to make it sub $2k, one is going to be mine.
Full info here:
https://www.kickstarter.com/project...ure-for-vinyl-c |
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| Innocence Lost |
| That thing is beast. I def want one. |
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| DJ RANN |
Seriously.
I would love to be able to just quickly print a track and slap it on my decks. |
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| Guest |
| This is so awesome. Will definitely be keeping a lookout on this badboy. Hopefully within a couple years I'll have one with my name on it :D |
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| DJ Sarah H |
The problem with cutting your own vinyl is going to be the sound quality, I assume you are thinking of cutting vinyl from digitally downloaded tracks? So the quality is only ever going to be as good as the digital download which as we know in the majority of sound files is compressed and therefore will not have the warmth of an 'old skool' vinyl cut from an analogue source.
Don't get me wrong, I love the idea, the thought of being able to put the latest tracks onto vinyl and then playing them in the club on a set of 1210s instead of hiding behind a laptop appeals to me no end!
But there is another way that's improving all the time, 3D printed vinyl, its early days and the quality is poor but as the technology gets better and with the cost of 3d printers coming down in price all the time, it may in a couple of years time, be cheaper to simply print your next record.
3d vinyl article from july 2014 |
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| DJ RANN |
I own a laser cutter and the company that makes it are the leader in consumer 3d printers.
Unfortunately, the level of detail required for vinyl is so immense that 3d printers capable of this level of detail are $250,000 starting price.
It will be at least 10 if not 20 years before that technology comes down to consumer levels or sub $3k.
I think that really could be the future of vinyl, or if they actually make a laser based device that would cut blanks from another material like acrylic (vinyl when laser cut produces a gas that is deadly to humans and destroys the machine itself) - the technology for doing so is actually already here and you can buy a precision laser cutter with a 1000 dpi for under $1500 these days. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Sarah H
The problem with cutting your own vinyl is going to be the sound quality, I assume you are thinking of cutting vinyl from digitally downloaded tracks? So the quality is only ever going to be as good as the digital download which as we know in the majority of sound files is compressed and therefore will not have the warmth of an 'old skool' vinyl cut from an analogue source.
Don't get me wrong, I love the idea, the thought of being able to put the latest tracks onto vinyl and then playing them in the club on a set of 1210s instead of hiding behind a laptop appeals to me no end!
But there is another way that's improving all the time, 3D printed vinyl, its early days and the quality is poor but as the technology gets better and with the cost of 3d printers coming down in price all the time, it may in a couple of years time, be cheaper to simply print your next record.
3d vinyl article from july 2014 |
Most dance started with a digital medium. The issue would be knowing how to master for vinyl which most people are don't. |
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| Trancelover03591 |
| Looks cool! Personally I don't see there being a long term sizeable market for vinyl. I know it's comin' back but I think it's a fad. I am sure there will be a niche market but too small to sustain an industry. |
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| miamitranceman |
| It is cool don't get me wrong but as was stated the sound quality will only be as good as the digital file it comes from. Why revert back to lugging boxes of vinyl everywhere? DVS solves the problem. I know it sucks to be behind a laptop screen but the convenience while still using vinyl is still worth it. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
Most dance started with a digital medium. The issue would be knowing how to master for vinyl which most people are don't. |
Trudat, but with the cutter it will have an RIAA preamp in it so at least you don't have to worry about that part. but yeah, mastering for vinyl is more crucial.
| quote: | Originally posted by Trancelover03591
Looks cool! Personally I don't see there being a long term sizeable market for vinyl. I know it's comin' back but I think it's a fad. I am sure there will be a niche market but too small to sustain an industry. |
Lol, that's what they said in the early 90's and looked what happened. Sure it's not going to be on the same scale as it was but I think there will always be a need for vinyl and turntable sales are on the up again so it looks like there is a market of at least some size.
| quote: | Originally posted by Zak McKracken
i think that people who buy this wont print mp3 they buy but rather print their own production which could be 192kHz 24bit wav and properly mastered for all that we know, or it could be recorded from analog synths directly real time. this is enthusiast equipment for people with more interest in audio than the average edm dj. |
Yep, I'd love to cut my own productions, or if I was given a production from a friend in good quality, I'd much rather have it on vinyl. I can see how many dj's might easily have their assistant just getting all the promos received in flac or 24/96k and spend a day each week cutting them on to vinyl for them to play out.
| quote: | Originally posted by miamitranceman
It is cool don't get me wrong but as was stated the sound quality will only be as good as the digital file it comes from. |
Yeah, but that was the beauty of vinyl; quality or crap tunes didn't make it on the vinyl due to the cost. It acted as a filter. you'd have to be a champion muppet to cut 128k mp3's on the vinyl.
| quote: | Originally posted by miamitranceman
Why revert back to lugging boxes of vinyl everywhere? |
Do we really need the entire history of trance, prog and tech with us every time we play out for an hour? No. What happened to bringing 50/60 tracks that you really know well? at It's still 3 times what you need for a 2 hour set. 60 vinyls fit in one bag and is as much, if not less, hassle than lugging around a laptop, an interface and backup drives.
| quote: | Originally posted by miamitranceman
DVS solves the problem. I know it sucks to be behind a laptop screen but the convenience while still using vinyl is still worth it. |
It doesn't though, because it sucks to be behind a screen. Laptops kills the vibe, introduce a another potential problem and ultimately, has music or performance got better since the switch. The answer is no. More access to huge libraries of music has not improved music quality for either a DJ or a punter.
Dance music's most potent period was done on simple mixers with vinyl or even CD decks. The bells and whistles have just added noise, not quality content. |
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| Guest |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Do we really need the entire history of trance, prog and tech with us every time we play out for an hour? No. What happened to bringing 50/60 tracks that you really know well? at It's still 3 times what you need for a 2 hour set. 60 vinyls fit in one bag and is as much, if not less, hassle than lugging around a laptop, an interface and backup drives. |
Agree wholeheartedly. When I play out I usually only bring 30 that fit in a shoulder strap bag along with my cartridges/needles. The extra's are for in-case I need to play a lil-longer. I know what set-time I have and what genre I'll be playing that night and I pick and choose my tunes accordingly ^^ |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by chris1011
Agree wholeheartedly. When I play out I usually only bring 30 that fit in a shoulder strap bag along with my cartridges/needles. The extra's are for in-case I need to play a lil-longer. I know what set-time I have and what genre I'll be playing that night and I pick and choose my tunes accordingly ^^ |
That's what I mean; the argument for needing DVS due to avoid "lugging around vinyl" is a complete fallacy.
To be honest, the only legitimate argument for DVS, is to play tracks that aren't available on vinyl. Every single other "reason" is flawed justification.
You can really only play 13 to 15 tracks a hour, if you're playing techno, maybe 20-25, unless you're jeff mills in which case you'll need to bring a truck lol. |
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