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| AlphaStarred |
| I never suggested it was a miracle cure, although I certainly hoped it was. It's called the Iboga after-glow, where one feels particularly good for 1-2 months after the session, due to the Noribogaine. Once it leaves the system, however, things can start getting rough again. I wouldn't say I relapsed totally, but it's definitely not been easy. I did want to try micro-dosing now, but unfortunately it's tough getting it in the States and I'm also not sure if it's the best idea at this point. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by AlphaStarred
I never suggested it was a miracle cure, although I certainly hoped it was. It's called the Iboga after-glow, where one feels particularly good for 1-2 months after the session, due to the Noribogaine. Once it leaves the system, however, things can start getting rough again. I wouldn't say I relapsed totally, but it's definitely not been easy. I did want to try micro-dosing now, but unfortunately it's tough getting it in the States and I'm also not sure if it's the best idea at this point. |
This makes a lot of sense. So the effect is not really the iboga experience helping to restructure your mind into a more harmonious form, but rather you were still under its chemical influence for an extended period of time. While you may have felt great for that period, I think everyone here can vouch for the fact that you certainly weren't acting normally. |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
While you may have felt great for that period, I think everyone here can vouch for the fact that you certainly weren't acting normally. |
I can see that in retrospect, and have also asked about it from a couple of people. The "after-glow" of Iboga, while making me feel better and more functional as a result, certainly wasn't the same state I was in during my brief remission after Risperdal, where I did feel "normal." |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
So the effect is not really the iboga experience helping to restructure your mind into a more harmonious form, but rather you were still under its chemical influence for an extended period of time. |
I should also mention that Iboga may actually "reset" neurotransmitters to a pre-addictive state - whether it's drug addiction or addictive negative thought patterns that may cause depression and so on. So it may actually restructure the mind into a more harmonious form, but once the after-glow is gone, if the stressors and triggers still exist, one may relapse into former negative thought patterns, etc. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chimney
No, no, wait; Anakastic personality disorder are the types which are very strict when it comes to rules, times, deadlines and so forth. These have the chance of developing OCD, which is an "illness" (neurosis)(personality disorders are not considered such). Difference is that OCD inhibits the daily life of the person and he/she goes through a great deal of struggle.
Antisocial personality disorder is the usual psychopath although the latter is accepted as being a more severe form of the antisocial personality disorder. Many still argue whether the term "psychopath" truly exists since DSM-V as far as I remember doesn´t support it. |
I'm incredibly hungover and confused, now. Is there a link between the two? The post I quoted originally seemed to indicate there was?
Yes, from what I recall, the DSM-V doesn't use the term psychopath or sociopath, though there is plenty of published work on the two; psychopath usually being the term for those who were born with a lack of empathy, sociopath being the term for those whose life experiences went in a way that destroyed their sense of empathy. I read an interesting article recently that suggested sociopaths were more likely to suffer from anxiety disorders, as well. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by AlphaStarred
I never suggested it was a miracle cure, although I certainly hoped it was. It's called the Iboga after-glow, where one feels particularly good for 1-2 months after the session, due to the Noribogaine. Once it leaves the system, however, things can start getting rough again. I wouldn't say I relapsed totally, but it's definitely not been easy. I did want to try micro-dosing now, but unfortunately it's tough getting it in the States and I'm also not sure if it's the best idea at this point. |
I'm sorry, but just for accuracy, you really did suggest it was the second coming of christ in pill form. You posted for days, if not weeks on end about how this was the miracle fix where all others had failed.
I'm glad that you seem to be very grounded and analytical about it all now (I mean that), but at the time, it was virtually impossible to have a thread on here without you going on about the incredible merits of Iboga.
I'm not trying to make you feel bad or anything like that - not my intention, but you should be aware that at the time your fascination with the miracle of Iboga and what it had apparently done for you (including all the videos you posted as proof of other people becoming "cured" after one session) was nothing short of obsessive.
Is there actually scientific grounds or trials concluding it actually does any of the things you claim or is it really just a slow release hallucinogen? |
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| Dykes_on_Jay |
| Crack makes people feel good as well. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Is there actually scientific grounds or trials concluding it actually does any of the things you claim |
No. |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Is there actually scientific grounds or trials concluding it actually does any of the things you claim or is it really just a slow release hallucinogen? |
There's a doctor's presentation on it that I posted before, but I don't think they know the exact mechanism by which it works. It does take away cravings, helping especially drug addicts, but as far as long-lasting effects on mental illnesses, I'm not sure. Supposedly they're supposed to start clinical trials in the Netherlands next year or so...we'll see. |
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| Lews |
| Yeah, I'm not impressed; cravings for drug addicts can also be taken away by monetary reward. There's nothing magical about this plant. |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
cravings for drug addicts can also be taken away by monetary reward. |
That's a ridiculous statement, and I'm guessing you haven't seen or spoken to many drug addicts. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by AlphaStarred
That's a ridiculous statement, and I'm guessing you haven't seen or spoken to many drug addicts. |
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1308058/
'Subjects who earned more money during the cutdown test were more likely to abstain'
1986
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1239924/
'The study suggests that an Internet-based voucher reinforcement program is a feasible method to promote abstinence from cigarette smoking.'
2005
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There are plenty more studies out there showing the same thing, if you care to examine the issue. |
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