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The future of south beach nightlife
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| Faceplant |
What's going on in south beach? I heard from a Miami friend that besides the outside liquor ban, they want to stop all liquor sales at 2am. They also want any business to have day time activities going on (targeting night clubs)
Any Miami people have opinions? I honestly haven't been to south beach for 3 years besides going to trade twice. It is very "hood and trashy" but is this the answer?
I have been getting my high class fix in the financial district area the past few years so I'm out of the loop when it comes to south beach |
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| koky69 |
I think it's a terrible idea. Tourism will suffer. A large number of tourist come here to party. And that's just the beginning. Once people vote this kinda in, it's usually a snowball effect when it comes to more and more laws until ultimately South Beach turns in to an old folks get away or retirement area like it was in the 60's 70's and early 80's instead of the party place it once was these last 20-30 years.. And when laws start being passed against partying i get angry :mad:
Lol no but seriously, this whole thing sucks ! |
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| Donnie Gryphon |
| quote: | Originally posted by Faceplant
What's going on in south beach? I heard from a Miami friend that besides the outside liquor ban, they want to stop all liquor sales at 2am. They also want any business to have day time activities going on (targeting night clubs)
Any Miami people have opinions? I honestly haven't been to south beach for 3 years besides going to trade twice. It is very "hood and trashy" but is this the answer?
I have been getting my high class fix in the financial district area the past few years so I'm out of the loop when it comes to south beach |
Ok first things first your friend should give you the whole story. It's not a ban on outside liquor. They moved the closing time to 2am on all outside places only on Ocean Drive, which honestly isn't a bad thing. The majority of hotels on Ocean have paper thin walls and tourists struggle to get a good night sleep. You don't need a 30 square blocks to drink/party all night, contain that on Washington.
The day time activities next, this is only for businesses on Washington, they want them to incorporate outside spaces to encourage sidewalk cafes and shops to encourage more tourists to be out and about. They are trying to make it more visitor friendly. South Beach isn't just willy nilly throwing these ideas around to hurt tourism, they are actually trying to put procedures in place to get families and better quality of visitor than what's been happening in South Beach lately. Working in the hotel/hospitality industry South Beach is a big topic up for discussion considering it's clientel has gone downhill and it's scaring away family dollars. |
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| Faceplant |
| I heard a rumor that they are taking about cutting all liquor sales off by 2 or 3 am. Not just outside bars. I highly doubt it will gain traction but it still shows how the new Miami leaders are thinking |
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| Donnie Gryphon |
| quote: | Originally posted by Faceplant
I heard a rumor that they are taking about cutting all liquor sales off by 2 or 3 am. Not just outside bars. I highly doubt it will gain traction but it still shows how the new Miami leaders are thinking |
That's in Fort Lauderdale, not miami. I haven't heard that rumor at all tbh. |
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| koky69 |
| Donnie I get what you're saying. But again, once the laws start rolling in they don't stop. I think this is going to have very bad long term effects.You give these politicians an inch and they'll take 6 inches. You heard it here first. This is a "VERY" bad idea. |
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| OrangestO |
Bad idea to cut drinking hours? Lol.
For you! Quit being so shortsided. |
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| Faceplant |
The drinking hours are not the problem. The problem is becoming the terrible euro to dollar conversion. South beach used to be a huge euro hot spot, they can now get better bang for buck else where To keep the rooms full these places are lowering rates and the trash is coming in.
I don't understand how anybody thinks it's ok for the city of south beach to tell them at all how they can and can't run their business on Washington. If I am the business owner, pay my taxes, don't cause problems, why should you inconvience me with forcing me to have some type of outdoor spot that has to serve people during hours they are of no real financial profit to me. Real American idea policy makers of south beach
Also, Washington is not ocean ave where traffic is crawling, people drive fast down Washington and imho it's no safe to be sitting down eating some 40 dollar appetizer next to that
Funny how wynwood didn't do anything, the area fixed its self and is booming. Such are the cycles |
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| Donnie Gryphon |
| quote: | Originally posted by koky69
Donnie I get what you're saying. But again, once the laws start rolling in they don't stop. I think this is going to have very bad long term effects.You give these politicians an inch and they'll take 6 inches. You heard it here first. This is a "VERY" bad idea. |
Honestly, working in the hospitality industry and specifically South Florida with lower occupancy rates, higher adr's and less tourists dollars rolling in year over year, this is definitely not the problem. The majority of tourist hotels are on Ocean Dr, the majority of those hotels were built in the 50's with paper thin walls. Family tourist dollars in Miami are drying up left and right. The number one reason families aren't coming back to the beach is because get this because they can't get a good night sleep. Who brings in more money for the city? A family of four or a group of dudes coming to party for a weekend? It's the family four. A lot of young people are going the route of Airbnb because you can get 2 nights in an airbnb for the price of one night in a hotel. This is also going for the families as well because now they are going the route of airbnb because at least in a house or condo you're able to get a decent night sleep without a mass of idiots pouring ketchup on girls while they film it for worldstar. |
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| Faceplant |
Catering to families was also an approach Las Vegas took in the late 90s and completely failed. imho and I'm sure 90% of people, south beach was never and will never be a true family destination.
It's very weird to see all these new age hipster families now walking around wynwood, taking pics of the art work, checking out galleries, and going to all these cool new food spots to grab something to eat and a good micro brew. That's the future right there
From my traveling experience, placed like Savannah, Austin, st augustine.... Hipster ish placed with culture, and cooler stuff to do are getting lots of these young successful family dollars. If south beach is after the family of 4 coming down from Mississippi that live pay check to paycheck they got it all wrong. |
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| Donnie Gryphon |
| quote: | Originally posted by Faceplant
Catering to families was also an approach Las Vegas took in the late 90s and completely failed. imho and I'm sure 90% of people, south beach was never and will never be a true family destination.
It's very weird to see all these new age hipster families now walking around wynwood, taking pics of the art work, checking out galleries, and going to all these cool new food spots to grab something to eat and a good micro brew. That's the future right there
From my traveling experience, placed like Savannah, Austin, st augustine.... Hipster ish placed with culture, and cooler stuff to do are getting lots of these young successful family dollars. If south beach is after the family of 4 coming down from Mississippi that live pay check to paycheck they got it all wrong. |
Vegas has always been built as an adult playground. Miami Beach hasn't always been an adult playground. Miami Beach doesn't really know what it was catering too the past 2 decades. There is no clear cut clientel they are looking for. Also we're not looking for ways to cater to the Mississippi family of four. We're looking for ways to bring down the a higher end family tourist, that aren't living pay check to paycheck. |
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