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Why oh why, Universal Nation 2001 (Trance Energy)
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| Rayb |
So, I'm listening to this live set of Push live at Trance Energy 2001 and I'm totally freakin'
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fA40KoC1eU
Why (for God sake) could they make such great tracks as Universal Nation back in 1998 and with all those modern software tools can't make it in 2016?!?
Listening to this set, which is epic I can't believe it.
Nowadays it all sounds the same, no variation.
But this is just pure trance, pure class :toocool: |
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| Redd |
| acting like it's live :p |
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| Kilixpree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Redd
acting like it's live :p |
holy , look at the guy having fun with the imaginary drums... HAHAHHAHA |
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| AY STAR |
to me back then trance was more basic, but at the same time it wasn't.
trance music was used as a form of expression, there was no "sound" or cookie cutter forumla like there is today. labels had no boundries, they would sign stuff that was unique to get their name recognized and form a fan base.
i listened to the aly and fila essential mix from friday night. overall it def is not trouse sounding or trance 2.0 bull. most of it was vocals and remakes of classics etc etc. overall tho each song sounds the same as the one before it. yea its trance but after listening for 5 songs its all the same imo
trance back in the day had so many sounds but kept it simple and melodic
i know i am rambling on right about now lol but to me this type of push/bonzai style trance is pretty much extinct. the guy has moved on
bonzai does put out some pretty good prog trance stuff tho i will admit |
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| kosmotika |
I believe it's because it didn't take itself as seriously as it does today; artists understood how to make simplistic, yet exciting dance music as opposed to overproduced template built pretentious "euphoric" bull to do Jesus poses to. The mastering also plays a big part in it. Back then every sound was clear and there was an emphasis on the dynamics. Nowadays it's all about earsplitting brick wall limiting, sidechaining and poor EQ where the lows are muddier than a Louisiana swamp and the highs are sharper than a knife. It's like today's producers all got handed some electronic music starter kit and that's why the synths, progressions, etc are all the same thing.
| quote: | Originally posted by AY STAR
i listened to the aly and fila essential mix from friday night. overall it def is not trouse sounding or trance 2.0 bull. most of it was vocals and remakes of classics etc etc. overall tho each song sounds the same as the one before it. yea its trance but after listening for 5 songs its all the same imo |
Let me guess, arpeggiated bass with the standard dun-dun-DUN-DUN progression, followed by 2-3 minute long breakdowns/buildups, half of the songs loaded with corny, weak vocal bits about love and sunrises and other generic 'nice' things, followed by oodles of stabby supersaw arps obviously made with romplers:p |
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| Trance-M |
| quote: | Originally posted by AY STAR
most of it was vocals and remakes of classics etc etc. overall tho each song sounds the same as the one before it. yea its trance but after listening for 5 songs its all the same imo |
In my opinion they tried to put some variation in there. Not too many tracks with vocals and tracks like Mauro Picotto – Lizard (Indecent Noise Remix) and Solarstone – Lost Hearts IMO have a very different sound. But overall it's what was to be expected from Aly & Fila.
Regarding Push: Will Atkinson - Numb The Pain, Victims and new track Subconscious brought/brings some Push memories back. |
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| AY STAR |
| quote: | Originally posted by kosmotika
I believe it's because it didn't take itself as seriously as it does today; artists understood how to make simplistic, yet exciting dance music as opposed to overproduced template built pretentious "euphoric" bull to do Jesus poses to. The mastering also plays a big part in it. Back then every sound was clear and there was an emphasis on the dynamics. Nowadays it's all about earsplitting brick wall limiting, sidechaining and poor EQ where the lows are muddier than a Louisiana swamp and the highs are sharper than a knife. It's like today's producers all got handed some electronic music starter kit and that's why the synths, progressions, etc are all the same thing.
Let me guess, arpeggiated bass with the standard dun-dun-DUN-DUN progression, followed by 2-3 minute long breakdowns/buildups, half of the songs loaded with corny, weak vocal bits about love and sunrises and other generic 'nice' things, followed by oodles of stabby supersaw arps obviously made with romplers:p |
def afree with the mastering. like i said it was more "basic" the mastering def was a part of it. you could hear every element of the track and it wasnt even that many. each sound was clear and crisp.
nah their dun dun dun was not really there no trouse . def the long lord of the rings violin epic build up and breakdowns. just seems like they are overdoing it these days with that combined with vocals. seems like thats what most of their tracks are these days |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by kosmotika
Let me guess, arpeggiated bass with the standard dun-dun-DUN-DUN progression, followed by 2-3 minute long breakdowns/buildups, half of the songs loaded with corny, weak vocal bits about love and sunrises and other generic 'nice' things, followed by oodles of stabby supersaw arps obviously made with romplers:p |
So what did the old vocals use to be about?
Because I'm pretty ing sure it's always been about love and sunrises and other generic nice things. |
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| kosmotika |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
So what did the old vocals use to be about?
Because I'm pretty ing sure it's always been about love and sunrises and other generic nice things. |
Well that's partially true, but then you'd get that in the form of Human Movement - Love Has Come Again and Lost Witness - Red Sun Rising, it generally wasn't as blatant and corny as it is now unless you were listening to something akin to those very commercial projects like Dee Dee or Milk Inc. Now you've got guys slapping Astroline-esque lyrics to these 3-4 minute long 'emotional' breakdowns, essentially making their song sound like the musical equivalent of The Notebook. |
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| Light The Fuse |
| quote: | Originally posted by kosmotika
I believe it's because it didn't take itself as seriously as it does today; artists understood how to make simplistic, yet exciting dance music as opposed to overproduced template built pretentious "euphoric" bull to do Jesus poses to. The mastering also plays a big part in it. Back then every sound was clear and there was an emphasis on the dynamics. Nowadays it's all about earsplitting brick wall limiting, sidechaining and poor EQ where the lows are muddier than a Louisiana swamp and the highs are sharper than a knife. It's like today's producers all got handed some electronic music starter kit and that's why the synths, progressions, etc are all the same thing.
Let me guess, arpeggiated bass with the standard dun-dun-DUN-DUN progression, followed by 2-3 minute long breakdowns/buildups, half of the songs loaded with corny, weak vocal bits about love and sunrises and other generic 'nice' things, followed by oodles of stabby supersaw arps obviously made with romplers:p |
Pretty much spot on. and yeah - i currently do enjoy some of the trance being produced today but i got through about 20 odd minutes of the aly & fila essential mix and couldnt take anymore.
(i did fast forward to 'simon patterson & magnus - evoke' for a listen though as that is a cracker of a tune :toothless ) |
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| n0bben |
| quote: | Originally posted by kosmotika
Well that's partially true, but then you'd get that in the form of Human Movement - Love Has Come Again and Lost Witness - Red Sun Rising, it generally wasn't as blatant and corny as it is now unless you were listening to something akin to those very commercial projects like Dee Dee or Milk Inc. Now you've got guys slapping Astroline-esque lyrics to these 3-4 minute long 'emotional' breakdowns, essentially making their song sound like the musical equivalent of The Notebook. |
And what is the difference really? How are the vocals for Red Sun Rising in particular NOT corny? This is a honest question, im not trying to stir things up here. |
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| Light The Fuse |
personality in the lyrics & depth in the actual singing is whats missing.
they all want to be re-run delerium - silence (that the current batch of producers have misinterpreted the meaning of) without the depth of lyrics or uniqueness of voice.
I thought simon pattersons - dissolve was a very good example of solid vocal with good trancey lyrics. shame the original and all the remixes resorted to stupid white noise pitch bend - could have been a great one. |
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