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| rubez |
http://thump.vice.com/en_us/article...e-richie-hawtin
good i say. limitation and focus is a good thing, the dance scene used to thrive on this.
nobody cares about extra layered spliced loops in a live dj set. just bring us the best of your records and skills as a dj. save the ableton stuff for a home listening experience.
undoubtedly a laptop set has a different vibe to a dj playing records straight up.
i'd have thought it would be refreshing for the djs themselves to get back to basics and embrace this... richie complaining about being stifled :stongue: |
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| kolakao |
| great idea, this will distinguish real dj's from the fake one, and it's just look better in club, and you have to choose realy good tunes. |
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| NeedleBear |
| I use time code vinyl cuz i like the way it sounds on my headphones than using cdjs |
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| Godking5 |
| Richie Hawtin apparently wasnt a fan |
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| TranceElevation |
| quote: | Originally posted by NeedleBear
I use time code vinyl cuz i like the way it sounds on my headphones than using cdjs |
W h a t? |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| From what I hear there are these newfangled contraptions that play some sort of silver-coloured discs... |
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| Trance-M |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
From what I hear there are these newfangled contraptions that play some sort of silver-coloured discs... |
Pfff, I even have gold-coloured discs. |
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| corjay9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zak McKracken
im totaly fine with this assuming all clubs have at least 4 mint 1210s and a super hot mixer and efex, sampler etc etc. however what if, the music you would like to play isnt available on vinyl? |
No laptops, not CDJs. |
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| Paradox Lost |
No, that's just stupid. This basically penalizes DJ's who use modern technology to facilitate their skillset for the superficiality of DJ's who use technology to pretend like they have skill, and it's ridiculous that they're pinning this decision on the idea of beatmatching; your ability to work with music is far more relevant than your ability to beatmatch it, which was something that was only done out of necessity in the first place. You think mix-DJ's would have manually beatmatched if tech 12's came with an auto-sync button? It was just something that had to be done.
While 'traditional' sets have a unique charm of their own (though the CDJ has never been at any point charming), trying to purge the decks of bull by purging it of technology is just ridiculous. |
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| rubez |
it's hardly ridiculous. it's one club, just one venue even i think, that wants it a certain way - maybe their punters prefer it this way, who knows... one safe haven for a particular style of djing. there's nothing wrong with that.
what's more interesting? a richie hawton ableton set, or a richie hawton vinyl set. at this point, i think it's the latter. and i think that's what they are trying to do with this.
it's not even about beat matching. you can match two records in a few seconds. i think even cdjs can auto beat match for you these days? even if they can't, it's a matter of ten seconds.
it's more about focus and vibe, connecting with the crowd - making magic out of other peoples records.
what if someone like hawton couldn't pad out his set... would he still be interesting?! at this point, i think this question is more interesting than his laptop wizardry - something that very few people understand, can relate to, or even appreciate.
like a classics night, you know what you are getting. and it seems that this is what this guy wants to promote. i don't think it's (necessarily) ignorant. |
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| Paradox Lost |
Did you read the announcement and explanation by the club? It's less about preserving a tradition and creating a mood, and more about disdain for laptop DJ'ing, largely because it doesn't involve beatmatching. The club owner is okay with USB sticks, so to refer to laptops and controllers as 'training wheels' is a pretty obvious dig at nothing other than autosync.
People tend to get caught up in this pretense that beatmatching by ear is somehow more noble than not. It isn't. Beatmatching isn't an art, it's a technical skill, one that was developed out of necessity, and one that technology would inevitably eliminate. I agree that there's a rustic angle whereby a manually betmatched vinyl set is more interesting than one mixed on a laptop and through a controller, but the much larger interest is in how well you can work with music to work a crowd- what does that have to do with beatmatching?
And that's not actually including CDJ's, which this club has no problem with. Anyone who's worked with a pair of CDJ's quickly figures out that +/- a certain percentage is the equivalent of roughly one BPM, and considering that CDJ's display both the percentage layout and the BPM's, all you have to do is calculate how much of a percentage you need to pitch the tempo. You eventually have to put on the finishing touches using your ears, but technology is doing like 80% of the work here- how does that fit into the spirit of tradition?
All that said, I would ultimately encourage any DJ who learned digitally to eventually learn how to beatmatch, as I feel it helps you to develop a greater appreciation for your music in much the same way that physically touching something you're passionate about can bring you closer to it. Beatmatching is good for you, it's a healthy thing to learn, but it's not going to make you any more of an artist, and we need to stop pretending that beatmatching in any way affects the artistry of your product. |
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