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Need New Stli (needles) - Are Ortofon Concorde NightClub E still the best?
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| DJ RANN |
Time to get the trusty 1's and 2's finally set up.
I have a feeling my Nightclub E's (black with fluorescent yellow tip, just like my knob) are pretty much spent (also like knob).
I'm trying to figure out if I get get new E styli for both of them or switch to something difference.
I'm not trying to win the DMC finals, just want the highest audio clarity.
Bring it TA. |
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| Freak |
M44-7 on technics headshells.
Easy fit if you have some still, or you can buy them pre-installed.
Ignore the marketing guff about competition and being aimed at DMC and scratch jocks...just know that they track very well, are highly skip & feedback resistant (significantly less trouble frequencies than concordes) but without a massive amount of weight required, and the bass response is superb. Output level is also high.
Will be like nite and day between them for you to be honest.
I had a bit of an 'incident' once with someone who is unfortunately an ortofon endorsee and insisted that they must use them in place of my 44-7s which the system was set up for.
Sure enough, in addition to it sounding e, had significant other issues and then quite predictably I got moaned at for it :rolleyes: |
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| Tony Morello |
| I currently use the M44G, want to get a pair of the Whitelables myself |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Freak
M44-7 on technics headshells.
Easy fit if you have some still, or you can buy them pre-installed.
Ignore the marketing guff about competition and being aimed at DMC and scratch jocks...just know that they track very well, are highly skip & feedback resistant (significantly less trouble frequencies than concordes) but without a massive amount of weight required, and the bass response is superb. Output level is also high.
Will be like nite and day between them for you to be honest.
I had a bit of an 'incident' once with someone who is unfortunately an ortofon endorsee and insisted that they must use them in place of my 44-7s which the system was set up for.
Sure enough, in addition to it sounding e, had significant other issues and then quite predictably I got moaned at for it :rolleyes: |
Thanks mate. I don't really care for the skip/track issue so much as it's just my home setup so no giant F1 system to contend with, but the feedback and weight advantages are key to me. I don't want to my vinyl and given my signal chain I want the best frequency response and reproduction that I can lay my grubbies on.
I've only used them a couple of times and liked them but a mate who used to get called up to set up decks for some acts used to swear by them.
It's always the house engineer that gets blamed when the artists s something up. |
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| KiNeTiC ENeRgY |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tony Morello
I currently use the M44G, want to get a pair of the Whitelables myself |
I've got Whitelabels - had them since about when they came out. They sound clean but there is the occasional shifting of the left/right channels where one channel is louder than the other. I've narrowed it down to the headshell since I've gone through about 5 sets of styli on them. The output is a little low for my tastes as well, and I find myself having to increase the gain for almost every record I have quite a bit to get the sound in the sweet spot for my Rane Empath mixer.
I would echo what Freak said and stick with the M447. They aren't the pretest needles, but they sound great and that high output is nice. |
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| DJ RANN |
Thanks. That's what I'm leaning towards now. I probably have my headshells somewhere in the boxes for my mk5g's. I have always loved the fact you just screw the ortofon in and that's the end of it, and the fact my nightclubs E styli were bright fluorescent yellow meaning you can see exactly where you're putting the needle, but I'm willing to sacrifice those for better audio quality and tracking.
I'm using a Vestax PMC 55 so I've got plenty of gain and it won't turn to like a pioneer will if I have to drive the signal. Higher output means less gain and less noise so that's nice.
The only thing I'm a little concerned about is that I've read some guys on RA talking about the m447 being more punchy, but also too bass heavy for some. I can always EQ it out but I'm wondering if after 15 years of Ortofons this is going to annoy me...... |
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| KiNeTiC ENeRgY |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Thanks. That's what I'm leaning towards now. I probably have my headshells somewhere in the boxes for my mk5g's. I have always loved the fact you just screw the ortofon in and that's the end of it, and the fact my nightclubs E styli were bright fluorescent yellow meaning you can see exactly where you're putting the needle, but I'm willing to sacrifice those for better audio quality and tracking.
I'm using a Vestax PMC 55 so I've got plenty of gain and it won't turn to like a pioneer will if I have to drive the signal. Higher output means less gain and less noise so that's nice.
The only thing I'm a little concerned about is that I've read some guys on RA talking about the m447 being more punchy, but also too bass heavy for some. I can always EQ it out but I'm wondering if after 15 years of Ortofons this is going to annoy me...... |
Can you go to a Guitar Center and grab one from there? Try it out and see how you like it. You should be able to return it if you don't like the sound. |
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| DJ RANN |
| I think needles fall under the category of non returnable due to how fragile they are etc. |
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| Freak |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
I think needles fall under the category of non returnable due to how fragile they are etc. |
Bought from and fulfilled by amazon (they have them in stock - $79, pretty much what I used to pay in £) by Dec 31st and you can return up to Jan 31st... |
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| DJ RANN |
| Sweet, thanks mate. Just got to make sure I've still got my headshells..... |
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| the-sixth |
Late to the party here but I am also leaning towards the M44-7 for general Dj use.
I have a Nagaoka Cart/Stylus for ripping which took me months of research and listening / testing. Of course once you start down that rabbit hole it's a endless search but I find it sounds great for me listening back to 96kHz rips taken from it.
A cliche but I genuinely have heard subtle sounds that I never ever noticed on records I know every beat of. Genuine jaw on floor moment first time it happened. |
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| DJ RANN |
| Ah sticks. I don't seem to have my headshells. Going to cost me a small fortune to get headshells and carts now :whip: |
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